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Permalink Reply by Tony Heaton on September 5, 2012 at 9:03am

Removing a post that is full of unsubstantiated defamation, libel, is not censorship.

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Permalink Reply by Zen on September 5, 2012 at 9:10am

Yea, A POST.  Not the whole thread.  Your answer doesn't apply here.

Also: 

li·bel/ˈlībəl/

Noun:

A published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.

I phrased my unknowns as questions for a reason.  If it was incorrect than a response stating that it was all false would have been sufficient.  Nothing was stated.  Instead, deletion and coverup. #sameoldstory

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Permalink Reply by Tony Heaton on September 5, 2012 at 9:51am

I stand corrected.  I didn't see that the entire thread had been removed.  I can't find a reason for the removal but I won't join the conspiratorial crowd just yet.  If it was removed intentionally then it adds credibility to your arguments.  If it was deleted by accident then it is just that.  If we don't see an explanation from Chris or the actual person that deleted it then I'll have to assume there is something nefarious going on.

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Permalink Reply by Tony Heaton on September 5, 2012 at 1:22pm

'I will say that MANY MANY people have contacted me after my first ban stating that they were not fans of "the censorship"'

I assume the contacted you digitally?  If so, provide the their comments with names and other identifying information redacted.

'LOTS of people are afraid to speak out here, yes even some of the distributers, that is a sad sad state.'

I'm not sure what you consider "LOTS" but I consider it more than 50.  Again, provide their comments with all identifying information redacted.

I was a user that complained.  I complained very loudly.  Chris and Lorenzo worked with me to solve my concerns.  Even though I was loud and obnoxious, they were always calm in their replies to me.   Zen is not complaining.  He is making wild accusations without substantiation.  You are doing the same to a lesser degree.  Prove your claims of "false advertising."  Somebody else on the internet claiming false advertising is not proof.

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DeveloperPermalink Reply by R_Lefebvre on September 5, 2012 at 1:35pm

I assume the contacted you digitally?  If so, provide the their comments with names and other identifying information redacted.

Kevin has already demonstrated that he's completely capable of publishing private statements made to him, including identification.  So this really shouldn't be a problem at all.

And anybody contacting him should keep that in mind.  If you don't want your comments being made public, don't communicate with him.

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DeveloperPermalink Reply by R_Lefebvre on September 5, 2012 at 1:42pm

Great.  I'm assuming most of your communications from MANY MANY people don't have any privacy statements.  So let's see them.

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Permalink Reply by Tony Heaton on September 5, 2012 at 2:06pm

No, you made the allegation that you had them and that they prove your point.  It is your duty to prove you have them.  Otherwise your just full of anger and hate.  You've made it obvious that you don't have them.

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DeveloperPermalink Reply by R_Lefebvre on September 5, 2012 at 1:50pm

And by the way, users here should have an expectation of privacy when using the Private Messaging system due to the Terms of Service of the board you are using:

You agree that you will not post, email or make available any content or use this Network:

• in a manner that is libelous or defamatory, or in a way that is otherwise threatening, abusive, violent, harassing, malicious or harmful to any person or entity, or invasive of another's privacy;
• in a manner that includes personal or identifying information about another person without that person's explicit consent;
  

 

Emphasis mine.

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Permalink Reply by Tony Heaton on September 5, 2012 at 2:10pm

Lets put the words together so they're easier to understand.  "You agree that you will not post, email or make available any content or use this Netowrk in a mannter that includes personal or identifying information about another person without that person's explicit consent."  So if you did post content with that information without explicit consent, you are in violation of the TOS.  The path the message took has no bearing on the TOS.

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DeveloperPermalink Reply by R_Lefebvre on September 5, 2012 at 2:42pm

Maybe you should hire a lawyer to explain to you how that language construct works.

Simply put, YOU broke the TOS.  Period.  This was not some interception on the internet, by somebody who had never agreed to the TOS.  

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DeveloperPermalink Reply by R_Lefebvre on September 5, 2012 at 2:55pm

I didn't say you broke the law.  I merely suggest the lawyer is necessary to help you understand HOW you broke the TOS.  You broke the TOS, and the result was being banned.  I have no idea why you were let back on.  If anything, it completely disproves your characterization of Chris.

DistributorPermalink Reply by Dany Thivierge on September 5, 2012 at 10:20am

I would also like to see why/who deleted the thread, it had a lot of info on things to fix in the Wiki.. for example the auto trim 45 second instructions that I've typed there was great and should have made it to the wiki. (wiki is not updated yet) 

I really answer that question on how to trim the copter almost every day.  This procedure is simple and effective to use but as soon as you did it you are good until the next major firmware release and so people forget how to do it or they just dont do it. 

Their copter is never super stable and always have a bit of drift and they blame the code/hardware while it's a simple thing to tweak in the backyard while enjoying a cool beer. 

So here it is again: CHRIS, please update the wiki with a new section for first flight calibration... 

Make sure you are in a wind free environment (wind will play against you on in air auto trim) 

Make sure you have no trim on your Radio. (the APM is what we want to trim, the radio should never get trimmed) 

Get above ground effect (around 3-4 feet is enough on most models) 

Make sure to practice a lot before you actually try the auto trim to find the sweet spot on the Radio right stick to have the copter super stable, not moving (this is where wind affect your inputs) 

Also I find it better to not be in Simple mode, just do this in STABILIZE mode

Once you know where that sweet spot is you are ready for the 45 seconds auto trim procedure. 

Land

hold the arming position for an extra 20-25 seconds (dont count, you will see the ABC LEDs flash in a new sequence when it's done) 

You now have 45 seconds to teach the APM the perfect in air level (auto trim of the APM) 

Take off, rise above ground effect (3-4 feet) 

Hold that sweet spot on the radio that you found earlier to put the copter in a steady stable state.  

After the 45 seconds, the APM will record these inputs and zero out the in air level (also ground level? not sure??)

Now you land as normal. 

Try to take off without any right stick input, it should rise square and stable.  

If not, land and repeat from Arming for 20 sec, flying 45 sec. at will until your copter is perfect! 

Feel free to edit these and make them better but please put this somewhere easy to find.  The Ch7 auto trim option is not intuitive and easy for new pilots to use. They end up messing up the level completely and often are better to reset/reload the boards to get back to slight drifts.  

Dany

www.CanadaDrones.com

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