Plane starts pumping while descending. Altitute oscillations

Hello all,

had my first flight with an APM2 (arduplane 2.34) yesterday. Great experience ;-)

I used the parameter set for the Skywalker from the download section.

But when descending in automatic flight, the plane started pumping quickly and the wings of the Skywalker were bending up and down like crazy. Really scary. So I switched to manual flight.

This is, what it looks like in the log:

Two questions:

Which PID parameter do I have to change, to stop this wobbling during the descend?

In addition, all the movements of the plane (roll and pitch) during AUTO-mode are flown very sharply and do not look smooth. Any idea, which parameters to modify to soften the flight behaviour?

Thanks a lot

Dirk

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Hi Dirk,


It's probably "Servo Pitch PID" that is too high.

However,

I'd suggest you may wish to reset the arudupilot and start again with the default settings following this page to tune the PID's in:

http://code.google.com/p/ardupilot-mega/wiki/Tuning

I found that the "skywalker" settings were *way* too high for my skywalker, you will notice that they are *much* higher that the default values (which by contrast are very conservative (low) for most airframes I think).

You should find that with stock defaults, it will fly ok, but pitch and roll will be a bit sluggish (not crisp) in FBW_A. Then you can increment them until it flys well (as per that tuning page). That's probably a better process than starting with the skywalker settings and adjusting them downwards.

Good luck,

Dave

Actually, it looks like there is a newer skywalker.param than the one I last saw (skywalker062311) with more sensible servo PIDS ( ~1 vs ~3).

So you could start there and just turn them down further (try halving to 0.5 and you should see behaviour change in FBW_A). Starting from defaults is still a good idea though :)

BTW, APM Planner has a nice comparison feature, so you could compare defaults with the skywalker params and note which values are different.

Dave

As mentioned, the skywalker params on the download page seem to be way too high.

The other thing to note is in version 2.34 of ardupilot, an i term was added to the default pitch pid params. This caused my bixler to oscilate pitch quite badly with throttle also up and down. After removing that, I got much more stable behaviour.

If you have used the downloaded pids, that is probably your problem, so as suggested, reset to default pids ( easy to do through the commandline in mission planner) and then start from there.

Cheers

James

Thanks to all of you. I changed a lot of the parameters and will check them in flight ASAP.

Also possible that the throws you set on your transmitter are too small. ;)

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