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Permalink Reply by Drone Savant on September 12, 2012 at 11:27am

Here is the followup article http://www.eagletribune.com/local/x85615940/Under-control

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DeveloperPermalink Reply by R_Lefebvre on September 12, 2012 at 11:46am

This whole news article is incredible stupid.

Is it news every time somebody cuts themselves with a kitchen knife?  No.  But since this is a drone...

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Permalink Reply by Drone Savant on September 12, 2012 at 12:40pm

This guy is getting ate up on a few other forums because this is his "business"... which is obviously slightly out line with legality in lots of cases. Others have pointed out his videos flying around children, etc. 

Yes... R_L there are lots of self knife cuts in the news. Go to Google news and type "cut with knife". There are probably more constructive comments in general I would guess. I am aware your thoughts on safety and I may certainly argue that the article wasn't stupid. ;)

Everyone can use a gentle reminder that these are not toys from time to time. 

Why the sarcasm? Jaded on safety? 

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Permalink Reply by Tony Heaton on September 12, 2012 at 1:17pm

I did your search.  I found one where a trooper came to the aid of a worker who cut an artery while cutting a tarp.  I would posit that if a trooper had not been involved, the story would not have been reported.  The other "cut with knife" stories were of criminal acts with a knife.  I didn't find any where Joe or Jane Doe chef was cut with a knife that just flew off the cutting board.

Besides calling 911, the part I find stupid is "For some reason it took off,"  Most likely, it took off because it was armed and the throttle was pushed.  "It just took off" reminds me of this  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/detroit-woman-shot-by-cop-while-...

Yes, we all need to know about danger but just about everything we do in life has an element of danger.  Do you want a "news" article every time someone falls down the stairs or trips over a garden hose?

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Permalink Reply by Drone Savant on September 12, 2012 at 1:30pm

Let me ask you a question... are you familiar with random reports of users having unexpected throttle up issues with DJI Naza (while on bench or other scenarios)? Are you aware that a few people have been unexpectedly cut by their DJI gear? Here are a few examples: 

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1569397

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1649434

The kitchen knife analogy was "stupid"... I'm not gonna beat that dead horse with you. I really don't get the point. A knife does not have a microcontroller in it, so it isn't cabable of making decisions. We are not exactly talking apples to apples even if we did beat that horse. 

Taking apart the reasoning on why or why not it may have been stupid to call 911 for a gash in ones hand isn't even likely worth this sentence I typed about it...

If there happens to be news articles about people falling down stairs I probably won't be among the first people stepping up and saying how stupid the person was or how stupid the reporter was for writing an article on it. ;) 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantic

pe·dan·tic   [puh-dan-tik] 
adjective
1. ostentatious in one's learning.
2. overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.

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Permalink Reply by Tony Heaton on September 12, 2012 at 1:47pm

I won't beat the dead horse either but you said to search for knife cuts and I did.  Only found one and it wasn't really relevant. 

With regards to pedantic, I could rehash most of your posts but I won't.  I was being pedantic on purpose.  The story was pointless.  If they would have included some advice on how to avoid what happened or even any safety advice at all I might find a point to it.  Otherwise it's just wasted bits.  Even the gratuitous "When you see someone that’s in dire straits of help, I honestly did not think twice, about just going in there and solving this. You just react and you do the right thing.” was not believable."  Especially since he put the guy in harms way in the first place.

Like Jake says below, pics or it didn't happen.  A guy shot himself in the penis and testicle a few days ago.  He tried to blame in on a passing stranger.  Guy flies multi-rotor at his friend,  hilarity insues.  Guy then brings out the "it just took off" card.

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Permalink Reply by Drone Savant on September 12, 2012 at 2:05pm

'Guy then brings out the "it just took off" card' - again... are you aware that DJI gear has had a history of this sort of stuff in the past? 

Maybe we use different search engines Tony. ;) 

Perhaps I would have found the point in your own responses if you too "would have included some advice on how to avoid what happened or even any safety advice at all". 

 

I love the general mentality in the community about copter bites. "pics or it didn't happen" is just how we should all be reacting :/ The best part is when guys do post pictures of their copter bites people call them names like *kitty cat* and ultimately get flamed off of which ever forum they post on. 

 

I know you were being pedantic on purpose btw... its called sockpuppeting for a reason. I've seen you around lately "brother". I too follow the good word. I've been keeping an eye on your work. It's not bad... http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/A_course_in_troll_sockpuppets

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DeveloperPermalink Reply by R_Lefebvre on September 12, 2012 at 2:11pm

No, I think you completely misunderstand my thoughts on safety.

First of all, I never said the user was stupid.  I don't know what happened.  But, maybe it will stop him from flying around children next time...

BTW, if you're interested, I have it on video that last time I was flying in my back yard.  I noticed my neighbours came out to watch.  I landed, told them I'm sorry I can't fly if they're outside.  They didn't see a problem with it, but I told them I don't like it.  I then invited them over to have a closer look after I disconnected the battery.  I also declined to fly at the Montreal Maker Faire because it was not a safe place.

THAT is my thoughts on safety.  

My wife cut herself badly with a kitchen knife last week.  It did not make the news.  It didn't even make the local news.

The point of my comment is simply this:

Person gets cut with common object: Not news.

Person gets cut by drone: News!  Drones are not common, drones are bad!  Be afraid, be very afraid!

Also the journalist is stupid for not fact checking.  Nothing recently signed into law makes running an AP business in the US "legal".

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Permalink Reply by Drone Savant on September 12, 2012 at 2:24pm

completely fair... and I agree that some journalists can be a bit alarmist in nature. I didn't exactly read these articles as the sort of FUD that you mention but I too have seen it! I am also glad that you took note of one of the things that was bad in general, being the fact that this was painted as legal business.

I will admit I was being snarky more so directed at some of the past conversations that we have both been a part of (ie. Turnigy / PPM stuff) which was not fair of me. I should not try to make a blanket statement about your general views. It is interesting to hear you mention how you handled your neighbors being around and handled that specific safety related event vs. some of the conversations we had involving Zen and the previously mentioned threads. 

Your points are noted and agreed on! 

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DeveloperPermalink Reply by R_Lefebvre on September 13, 2012 at 6:44am

See this is the thing...  I'm very pro-safety.  Where we differ is that I am less likely to blame the system for an incident, and more likely to blame the user who is not using proper safety precautions.

Should a FC just randomly make the motors start and cut people up?  No, of course not.  But I don't think users should expect that the FC is going to be *perfect*.  It never will be.  And they shouldn't treat it as such.  

Last night, I changed my opinion about this.  I'm sort of glad it happened.... no, I don't want anybody to get hurt.  But I'm glad that when this happened, it only hurt the operators, and not some innocent people.  *That* would have been bad!  Hopefully they, and anybody else using these systems gains a little more respect for them.

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Permalink Reply by Drone Savant on September 13, 2012 at 6:55am

Again completely fair. I am curious in this example what they could have or should have done differently. It seems as if they were both working together intentionally, so its not like the first guy was a bystander or anything. They were performing a test flight as I understand it and had just landed. We obviously don't know  anything about the exact situation but lets use the common buddy-box scenario or assume the second guy was there as a spotter or something along those lines. 

Assuming that operator had literally took off, and landed after a test... what should they have done differently? Was the spotter standing in the wrong place? Were they both standing in the wrong place? Is there some sort of other shut off switch that they should have had, like a Millswood? Should they have been at an AMA field? 

I'm not at all looking to pick a fight or troll you here, I am legitimately wondering what could have been differently so that I don't make the same mistake when Zen and I are out spotting each other / testing together. 

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Permalink Reply by r brown on September 16, 2012 at 5:34pm

I think part of the problem is the many people consider these "toys".

Thus, when people are injured by toys, it does make the news.  If nothing else, the article serves to notify people that these can be dangerous.

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