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Comment by Brian Linger on February 17, 2012 at 12:50pm

@Doug, "Brian tossing criticism at the open source community and assuming that the open source community and 3DR are the same thing"

I am tossing constructive criticism at a "community" that has also chosen to become a business.  Where exactly did I insult the hundreds of million open source developers in the world?  Why do you feel that I combine the concept of Open Source and business any more than our patrons?  Have you read my statements with an open mind?  I am not offended at all, just curious, it would appear that you have missed the point entirely.

Comment by Brian Linger on February 17, 2012 at 12:42pm

@Dara, I am sorry. I do see the direction that you are talking about; however there is a great community here to be found.  I have found dozens of people who are greatly helpful.  Don't give up over a few sycophantic types.  These people attacking me know haven't done the justice of reading my previous posts, or even speaking on the subjects I do.  They lash out.  Currently four of us putting together a new CF design are enjoying the reading.  Do be offended, just chuckle and keep trying.



Comment by Brian Linger on February 17, 2012 at 12:32pm

@TD, not sure what your statement has to do with any of my statements?  I am well versed in the information you speak of.  I guess you may have missed my point?

Comment by Dara Shayda on February 17, 2012 at 12:22pm

@Mike Pursifull 

Thank you Sir, I just want no bullies around. 

My opinions are some correct and some iffy and some wrong, and there are issues with DIYDRONES and issues with the stores, none of these warrants bullying and scaring people off. 

I have made a commitment to support 3 ardu machines and 2 paid university coops to fly and repair them. The monies are considerable.

While I am asking for no help in terms of resources, I need to express my opinions FREELY those solely dealing with the technicalities and community processes here. 

It is not possible that DIYDRONES is perfect, there is no room for any improvement, we need to make all efforts, all of us, to contribute and address the issues. 

My gratitude to Chris Anderson and Jason and the rest of the developers and supporters. 


Comment by Michael Pursifull on February 17, 2012 at 11:52am

All very valid, interesting points. It distresses me when someone is vocal about their sense of entitlement, clearly not appreciating the organizing principles of the community.  And there are the separate roles of the core contributors, the online community, the commercial stores who, through scaling, put their resources at risk to let a wider audience participate more easily, etc.

However, there is no place for personal attacks. Not because personal attacks cannot be tolerated, or because free speech should be censored, but because the community has a set of published standards.

Two of the eleven "rules" cover this as explicitly as can be stated:

Comment by Doug Weibel on February 17, 2012 at 11:35am

Jay - I agree with you 100%, except....

Chris and Jordi bring a lot of this on themselves.  Sorry Chris, thats just my opinion/observation.  DIYDrones Store - AKA 3DRobotics - is a business with a business model touted at one time of simply being that they fabricate open source hardware used by the DIYDrones community.  All the hardware you can go off and fab on your own, if you wish, or some other company can build it and sell it as well.  However, they do a great job of building it and supplying it at an attractive price, so they sell lots.  The problem is that they have not maintained a separation of identity or clearly stuck to that business model.  The fact that their website/marketing looks a lot more like they are selling products that they support than that they just build open source hardware, and that they do in fact provide some level of support is the reason that some percentage of folks have the expectation that they are buying a commercial product. 

I don't care if 3DR is simply an open source fabricator with no responsibility beyond quality assembly, or if they want to go beyond that.  The irritation and friction comes from people like Brian tossing criticism at the open source community and assuming that the open source community and 3DR are the same thing, and that happens because 3DR is not clear about communicating what their business model is.

If you are a community member and don't like people like Bryan and his comments, ignore him.  Personally I care even less than Sgt Rick if Brian leaves the community or not.  He is certainly not my customer.  I don't have customers.  I develop autopilots for fun. 

Comment by Sgt Ric on February 17, 2012 at 11:32am

@Jay is 100% correct!

This community began as a group of hobbiests interested in tinkering and exploring new technologies involved in model stabilization and auto-pilots. 

Soon several persons decided to get together and purchase parts in bulk and offer these to the community.

It seems this has grown to the point where people are expecting more and more from those few running the "store".

They expect someone to hold their hand and do evcerything for them, or they expect hourly updates on backorders when Jordi and his crew are probably so busy trying to fill those backorders that I am sure they rarely got to see their families.

As Jay pointed out, this is a DIY community, not WalMart where you can berate the staff.

Comment by Dara Shayda on February 17, 2012 at 11:24am


You can see the responses already made to my post, it is push and shove. It is not communication.

I think the people who care about the community, in occasions ought to voice their opinions in a strong manner specially when they feel they are not heard. 

The stores for this community accept no responsibility for tech support, and send us to the community here, and we are told here we are not customers, and when we get flustered and voice an opinion personal atttacks and bullying commences.


Comment by T.D. Gonzales on February 17, 2012 at 11:23am


The documentation is there... It's called source code, diffs, changelogs, and checkin logs. I have been able to follow this project even though I haven't had the time to fly for months. Lots of sim time though. 

It takes a lot more than just mouse skills to contribute to this project. 

Comment by Brian Linger on February 17, 2012 at 11:16am

@Dara, I am doing my best to get across lessons I have learned personally, and watched play out many times over the decades.  I am harsh, but accurate.  Call me jaded in general.  Despite what some people might think I have high hopes and expectations from this group.  That includes the business as well as the community.  I have faith that they can survive business infancy and be leaders in their segment.  Saying that, it is not easy, and times like these are can be make or break, both in capitol and public sentiment.

Bullying, sycophantic behavior, strong or indecent language, are all elements that should not exist in a community forum.  I admit, I get a too sharp when I am attacked.  It's silly if you think about it.  Some guy or gal on the other side of the terminal/world as far as we care or know, maybe even inhaling a little too much model glue, needs to feel empowered on a community forum.  More power to him/her if that is what is fulfilling in their lives.  In a way I hate to dissuade it, people gotta have something.


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