500 Grams of thrust 90mm EDF with Turnigy L2210-1650

Cobbled together 90 mm fan with 250 Watt  Turnigy L2210-1650 Bell Style Motor (250w) seeing if I can get decent efficiency from a small fan turning slower. 

 

On 14.8 Volts its pushing almost 500 Grams, not so bad thrust mapping is as follows.


100 Grams 1.9 A 27.6 Watts
156 Grams 3.0 A 42.9 Watts
197 Grams 3.9 A 55.1 Watts
257 Grams 5.5 A 76.0 Watts
296 Grams 6.7 A 90.9 Watts
340 Grams 7.9 A 105.5 Watts
432 Grams 10.7 A 138.1 Watts
492 Grams 12.5 A 155.7 Watts

The data in a spread sheet

The tests were run on two 7.4V 1300mAh Turnigy 20C Lipo's in series, I figure the motor will survive full throttle bursts on 4C and its 10 Amps short of the max, 100 Watts below its spec.

Its surprising as the same motor with a 8 X 6 prop pulled 23.3 Amps on a 3C yielding 520 Grams of thrust at 232.3 Watts.

Weighs around 150 grams.

Need a plane for it should be pretty ugly with such a big fan

 
Thust               500 Grams
EDF & Motor 150 Grams
Battery            178 Grams
 
If the air frame can be built in 172 grams it will have an thrust to mass ratio of 1:1 pretty ambitious
 
@ 1:1.75 its 230 Grams
@ 1:1.5 its 344 Grams
 

Foam and Coroplast SPAD for the EDF Jet


A mass of 500 or 750 grams give a wing loading's of 13 oz/ft² and 19 oz/ft² respectively
Wing area 1.3855 ft²
Dihedral 5º
Kf2 A symmetric trapezoidal wings and tail plane
My Xbee based controller with appropriate RX software for the Jet

I will probably let the top stick out above the fuselage structure as its really a pusher prop in a tube. The jet location gives a neutral balance as is with out the tail and elevator or any servos.
If I sling the battery underneath I should have plenty of options for trimming the centre of gravity, as well as keeping it low compared to the motor which is mounted higher than the above example.

The wings are braced with bamboo skewers cheap as. I will chamfer the top leading edges as that's what most people seem to do.

I am advised that the elevators will need lots of authority so I will fashion quite large ones :)

Not sure there is anything to gain from having any sort of thrust tube yet, will test some ideas on the scales, and do some more reading. My intuition says keep the back low as possible behind the jet only the tail fin in the air flow and brace the structure from beneath. The 5º of dihedral gives some longitudinal stiffness so another V section in Coroplast running the entire length should do the job I think.

 

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Tags: 4C, 500, 90mm, EDF, Grams, L2210-1650, Rhino, SPAD, Turnigy, built, More…edf, jet, scratch, thrust


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Comment by Rob_Lefebvre on November 13, 2012 at 9:07am

So... just to summarize, you got 492 grams thrust at 155 watts with the fan on 4S, and the same motor achieved 520 grams at 232 watts on 3S with a prop?  Well that's looking not so bad for the fan, but I wonder if the prop test wasn't optimized?

Comment by Nick Goodey on November 13, 2012 at 11:47am

That's correct

Seems odd to me the scales are working correctly btw. The 8X6 prop did develop a flutter at high rpm but i'm still surprised myself. I retested the fan after final assembly same result, 476 with out the inlet lip and 507 with it with a freshly charged pair of 2 cell 1300mAh in series.


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Comment by Rob_Lefebvre on November 13, 2012 at 11:57am

You should try running the prop again with just a 2-cell.  Obviously this will run much slower, but I think it will be more efficient.  The fact that you were getting flutter tells me you were overdriving that prop.  I think this is the case often.  It would be interesting to test that motor again on 3S with a 10" prop.  Something like that.

Comment by Nick Goodey on November 13, 2012 at 1:38pm

You are quite correct a 10 X 3.8 was pretty good nearly 700 Grams at 22A 202 Watts.

The 8 X 6 was recommended by HK for the L2210-1650 

That said it is a pitchy wee fan a bit of a torque monster I suspect

698 / 202.5 = 3.446 for the 10 X 3.8

492 / 155.7 = 3.1599 for the 90 mm 5 Blade fan

So 8 % less efficient turning electrical power into thrust for the fan much less than I expected. I will do an RPM measurement for the fan also

Please see the test data here

Comment by Nick Goodey on November 13, 2012 at 1:46pm

What do you think about a thrust tube aft for the jet?

My feeling is it will drag on the high speed from from the fan as a boundary layer builds up inside the tube and causes blockage


Developer
Comment by Rob_Lefebvre on November 13, 2012 at 2:00pm

Ah, well, that makes sense.  So a prop is still more efficient, all is right with the world.  ;)  Also, I just notice the kV on that motor is also fairly high.  You might find that if there is a lower kV in the same size motor, it would be even more efficient with a prop.  

I agree with you, I can't see how a thrust tube would make the fan any better.  

If this is an airplane application, you might find that at high speeds the fan gains efficiency while the prop loses efficiency.  There's probably a cross-over point somewhere, just don't know how high it would be.

Comment by Nick Goodey on November 13, 2012 at 2:13pm

That's right the DT850 (850Kv) is very good on an 11 X 4.7 

235 W for 1400 Grams

1404 / 235.6 = 5.59 for the 11 X 4.7

A big SF prop turning slowly is Über efficient in static trust terms it seems, almost twice as efficient

Comment by Nick Goodey on November 13, 2012 at 2:16pm

I wonder what happens with no close running fan housing it must interact quite significantly with the blade tips, I have heard that the blade tip clearance with the housing is vital to EDF performance.

May be worth and experiment see how a naked fan performs

Comment by Nick Goodey on November 15, 2012 at 12:08pm
Space 1 Jet builder On RCgroups

Yellow Jet 758 Grams with remaining Coroplast 2 X 7.4 V 1300 mAh batteries Arduino Nano RX Xbee with antenna, servos and misc hardware. Chamfered the top on the leading edges. All control surfaces cut and hinged. ESC mounted
Intake lip attached to fan intake.
 Keel mounted 
 
Comment by Nick Goodey on November 15, 2012 at 12:09pm

Where should I set the CG on a design like this?

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