Comment by Luke Olson on September 16, 2011 at 3:28pm

I don't get the Arduino hate. The choices made have been for good reasons relative to the cause. Not sure what you're talking about with the pitch, works just fine for me on a 0.1 pitch board (see image). I'm glad to hear the news and I think it'll be a great step forward for the users and many in this community.

Comment by Scott Plunkett on September 16, 2011 at 4:19pm

@bGatti - Hey, I was agreeing with you - I just thought it was worth mentioning that a lot of people (mainly the people the whole Arduino project was originally targeted at - artists, true code novices) will never get past making some things go blinkety-blink...and it works for that.  What REALLY has me thinking about this is will they try to transition somehow to a real tool chain or will they try to stick with some beefed up version of Processing.  It will be interesting to see how it plays out.  I honed my professional programming skills (that's sarcasm for those that have seen my code) on Samsung S3C2450 400 MHz ARM 9 chips so reverting back to something like the Atmel 328P was frustrating at first.

 

@Luke Olson - I also agree. a good step forward.

Comment by bGatti on September 16, 2011 at 4:20pm

The Arduino Pin pitch is like a bad marriage - you just keep it because of the children (Shields).

Arduino disappointment is opportunity angst - imagine what all this free/open effort  /could/ accomplish if only it were say based on a toolchain for PicKit2 instead:

 

Step throgh code - real time debug.

Reasonable pin layout - for standard boards so you could much more easily wire up a project.

150 processor choices - many with USB.

 

It's just that so many projects are compromised by the irrational choices of the gang who can't pin straight.

 

That damn com connection thing makes every Arduino project a pseudo-com port project iinstead of a proper USB peripheral.

 

It's a limp handicap, and I'm tired of overlooking the poor design, out of "respect" for the pretended awesomeness which is Arduino.

 

 

Developer Comment by Sandro Benigno on September 16, 2011 at 4:37pm

I like Arduino due to the fact it connects all kind of people of many areas. This is a great value.

About the choice on keep going with ATMEL... this kind of relationship is very interesting because it should grant the investment which will keep those chips available to buy in a long term.

Furthermore, sometimes is better and safe going in small steps than trying big jumps.

Looking forward to the wave to jump in. Go ARMduino! =)

 

Comment by bGatti on September 16, 2011 at 4:42pm

It's not arduino, It's the _Internet_ which connects people - all the people who connect around arduino were going to find each other - this doesn't excuse drunk pin layouts, or choosing a deprecated com port for new designs.

 

Why should Atmel be granted a beneficial commercial monopoly on open source - why not fund Software development so you get features like step-through code, and USB support?

 

Comment by dionh on September 16, 2011 at 4:48pm

I wounder if the APM developers are still  using the Arduino environment.I still think RTOS is a good way to go.

Comment by bGatti on September 16, 2011 at 4:58pm

y'know the worst part - is all these other boards which have copied the same lame pin layout - Netdweeno, Picdweeno, and now - I'm sure - Armdweeno.

For heaven's sake enough already.

And it will probably act like a comm port.

 

 

 

Developer Comment by Sandro Benigno on September 16, 2011 at 5:01pm

@bGatti: not sure if you got my point. The Internet is just the way it occurs. The interest of people in the same subject around that initiative, their interest on contribute, learn and teach that is the real connection.

There is a lot of other initiatives out there (maybe even based on the Arduino idea). Some of those has everything you are talking about. If you are on the other level or thought... attack Arduino probably isn't productive. Just pick up another one and be happy (and share with us).

Moderator Comment by John Church on September 16, 2011 at 5:30pm

What thread/blog is this anyway? Last time I looked APM didn't use Arduino pin spacing. I'm sure the blog is about what this will do for us. Enough already- all of y'as.

Comment by Michael Pursifull on September 16, 2011 at 5:55pm

Some minor word choice edits for site policy; thank you for the constructive discussion, personally I value a solid dialog, and often those with dissenting views are more valuable. Thank you for keeping it civil and not allowing different views from becoming personal attacks. 

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