Distributor Comment by Dany Thivierge on May 16, 2012 at 9:38am

Warthox can probably fly a quad without a control board! :) he is that good... 

Not that I want to say that the FreeIMU is not doing a good job but really this is a PRO level pilot!

:) 

Comment by Tim - Arduino for Visual Studio on May 16, 2012 at 9:54am

So you think Warthox would be able to do the same with arducopter? I don't :) You two guys run stores that sell ArduCopters, so where are your videos? I look forward to seeing them, or is Warthox the only person that can really fly copters?

Comment by Ellison Chan on May 16, 2012 at 10:17am

No, even Warthox would not be able to do that with AC.  Our code is just not meant for that kind of flying.

For one thing, our code imposes a "dead band", which prevents small movements of the sticks to affect the craft. 

Comment by Tim - Arduino for Visual Studio on May 16, 2012 at 10:59am

I am sorry Jason I got you confused with someone else. I should be clearer about my point... The copter has a number of motors that cannot be controlled purely by any human (however good the pilot is). These copters need an IMU and a brain to control stability. When we fly these things the most anyone can do is control direction, speed and altitude. So I do not agree that we can just pass off such great stability to the pilot. The combination of multiWii and FreeIMU looks very impressive.

All the projects I have looked at are great. ArduCopter, AeroQuad and MultiWii. The ones that appear to have the most stability and are the easiest to play with seem to be MultiWii and AeroQuad. The Arducopter solution seems to be one that requires a huge amount of learning and configuration time and is progressing slower from a repeatable stability perspective but is also the most diverse and flexible.

I didn't intend for a direct comparison but I do not feel it is right to suggest this fantastic solution is available only to a pro such as Warthox. However, I do agree that if you put the remote in my hands and I tried the flips and acrobatics that are demonstrated in the video, I would crash :)

Comment by Cliff-E on May 16, 2012 at 11:00am

Jason: Warthox was flying the room instead. It was rotating around the quad and the car. :)

If you've been on rcgroups, he is a pro pilot and knows the engineering. Period.

Maybe AC2 in acromode--but you need a <400mm quad to do that kind of stuff, even an MK-quad couldn't do it. MWC has come a long way over the year, it's looking better and better but as they integrate more AC2/DJI/MK type features (aka, GPS, heading hold, Loiter, etc...) they are encountering the same issues--and guess what: it's leading to similar results... Can't have a FC that does everything in every environment. Choices in flight envelope are made.

Moderator Comment by Mark Harrison on May 16, 2012 at 11:01am

You have to take into account that warthox can bend the gravitational field with his mind!

Comment by Ellison Chan on May 16, 2012 at 11:14am

Personally, I like to see different flight software that each have their own strengths.  Once we all start to copy each other's features, instead of concentrating on our own niches, the evolution of software will grind to a screeching halt.

Distributor Comment by Dany Thivierge on May 16, 2012 at 12:07pm

Yes Full disclosure I sell 3DR and jDrones stuff! to a remote location far far away up in the north...  :) everyone knows! 

You can see my video when I do have time to record and fly... this is not often these days as I also have a "real" job and a full family (kids and cat!) 

I test every major releases and try to crash as many times as possible to submit my logs to the dev team.  

Can the same be done on and APM? I would think it will be a bit less responsive and slower due to all the dampening in place to give more stability.  Sure you can remove it all and play in Acro mode and if you have the skills...  Again, we are not comparing apples to apples... can he let the quad stable and position hold with controller on the ground? I dont think so... but I am sure they will get there, there is a lot of good auto pilot hardware and firmware out there, I am just proud to be part of that evolution. 

oh and here is one of my video... no cars no special skills... in fact I was scared to test out that version... 

Turned out quite good! 

Developer Comment by John Arne Birkeland on May 16, 2012 at 1:22pm

People want and expect different things. My main interest is using a multicopter as a camera platform, so stably and position hold performance in windy condition is what I look for. Something like this (jump to the 1 minutte mark for the good stuff). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1HMs4enwM

Distributor Comment by Martint BuildYourOwnDrone.co.uk on May 16, 2012 at 11:47pm

Great video, and position hold at 1:10 is very solid :)

 

Regards

 

Martin.

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