I don't know how long of a distance it takes for most of you to land, but when diving in below the treeline from 200 feet I pick up tremendous speed on my EasyStar to the point of hitting 50 mph and overshooting
the runway, ending up in the trees.

Of course I can land in 500 feet easy, but making my autopilot do it was
not. I was curious if anyone wanted to chime in on how they solved
their landing issues and minimizing the length of space required.

I was able to get mine down to 500 feet diving in from 200 feet and leveling off. The attached photo is my landing pattern.

1) Circle the landing zone, sample the winds
2) Go downwind
3) Turn for final approach
4) DIVE! with a feedback loop on airspeed able to do reverse thrust
5) flare and land.

My reverse thrust is done with a car speed controller. I can get +1 lb
thrust as well as -1 lb of thrust. (Wasn't expecting that either.) This
is just by running a typical 5x5 prop backwards!

The end result is that I slow down from 50 mph to 20 mph in a few seconds after the dive.

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Comment by Tj Bordelon on September 20, 2010 at 11:24am
This is my personal autopilot/IMU/Modem combo, but the math will work anywhere :) There isn't really instability. The tail's downforce is reduced with reverse throttle ON, basically having the same effect as reducing your elevator deflection. I only notice issue if I'm trying to hold my nose up over -8 degrees. Reverse throttle works well when you don't need much tail, and that's during dives. Yeah, it's the Easystar from hell with the huge antenna and gorilla glue everywhere. I even have bumper stickers on it now. Going strong after 3 years now.

Attitude is maintained because you reduce the maximum reverse thrust as your pitch command goes higher. For me, it turns off with commands higher than about -5, scaling to 100% at -30 pitch. This lets it work during the dive, and during the approach, but not during flare and the final stage of landing.
Comment by Ritchie on September 20, 2010 at 3:36pm
It is not the Easystar from hell its the Epicstar.
I guess the critical part of the reverse thrust isn't getting that to work its where it works.
The UAVDev team have successfully created an IMU wind vector estimation file so perhaps that could be used to create a landing pattern setup with the Ardu in mind. I'm gonna enjoy this.
Comment by Andre Germain on September 22, 2012 at 6:36pm

Arresting is certainly a good option - we've been doing it for decades, see here; 

F4 arresting

F18 arresting

And our early RPV in early 90s (not arrested! 65 lbs): RPV

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