Searching for heavy duty applications for HYBRiX20

Hi all!
It's been two years since we started with the HYBRiX development!!! Since some months ago we feel that development is finishing and that HYBRiX20 meets almost all the specifications that we said at the beginning.
There are a lot of challenges left to face but right now we have the feeling that HYBRiX20 is ready to do important things.
The problem i see is than this hybrid aircraft is currently doing flights very far from the potential.
We try to do flight hours but we are very small company and our ability are very limited and it is unrealistic that we spend hundreds or thousands of hours to simulate possible applications.
On the other hand our first customers usually are doing R&D projects or demos to their customes and in any case, they fly very few hours.
I see a big risk if we stall here. That is why I would like to find a few initial customers that have applications that perfectly fit the specifications of the hybrid and that need to do heavy work, I mean that they have to fly many hours a day for example.
 --- What would be a good application to make hundreds or thousands hours to HYBRiX?

I would like to hear what applications you suggest for this platform!!!

As some of you already know we can fly between 2 and 3 hours according to the payload with a total of 5 liters of fuel.

Best regards,
Jose Luis Cortes
Quaternium

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Comment by Eli Cohen on July 27, 2017 at 1:20pm

I am curious what requirements were used in the design of this aircraft? Was it based on market data for what people needed? Were there clients you initially had in mind? Perhaps I am misunderstanding your post but I would imagine that you would have a set of clients that this design would be vetted for when it was operational. I frequently see aircraft built to be "cool" rather than to be immediately useful to a group of operators. Were there people this was initially targeted at?

Comment by Jose Luis Cortes on July 27, 2017 at 3:34pm

Hello Eli, I am not an expert in marketing, I am the technical person.

I understand that the product has to fit the market but there are other considerations that I personally have very much in mind, and it is personal motivation, our product is SUPER-COOL and I think it has been very important for me and for my team, because we would not have made the effort we have made with a product that does not motivate us.

I will answer your questions as an exercise because it seem interesting to me. But tomorrow. it is very late here!

Comment by Nikola Rabchevsky on July 28, 2017 at 8:34am

How much is this beastie?

Comment by Thomas Stanley-Jones on July 28, 2017 at 10:26am

Hello Jose, we fly geophysical surveys with a helicopter style drone.  It's a 3.5 kg payload on a 20m tether.  We operate in Northern Canada.  Our last complete survey was 1100 kms.  Let me know if you'd like to use our application for testing.

Comment by Jose Luis Cortes on July 28, 2017 at 11:52am
Hello Eli, 
Some years ago we build and sold two frames called Spidex and Spidex PRO. It was targeted to aerial filming, Spidex with gopro and Spidex PRO with mirrorless cameras.
When DJI started to sell the Inspire I decided that there was no point in struggling and I decide to leave this market, I thought of reconverting the product to industrial inspection and aerial mapping, but I thought that DJI would continue to expand and my decision was to move to a niche that was quite far from the mass market.
For that reason we decided to make a hybrid multirotor.
The design target for this aircraft is long flight time on real missions.
The product we have build is targeted to very different customers from our initial products but we believe that we have identified our target customer and the product we want to develop, We think that our best opportunity is in surveillance, public safety ....
However right now we do not have a product that fits these needs. Security applications are often developed in difficult scenarios and everything needs to work perfectly. We are not there yet.
Meanwhile I think that we must find a simple application, in a safe scenario, things like agriculture for example, that although it is not the target customer at least facilitate us to do hours and hours in a low risk environment.
And this is the reason to post this post
Comment by Armin Strobel on July 28, 2017 at 12:22pm

Hi Jose,

I love your HYBRiX and I am surprised that you struggling to find applications and customers. I would have thought that costumers standing in line, since the flight time the manufactures provide are usually very optimistic with no margin. I talked to a few drone operators and they would be happy to have a bit more flight time when they put there heavy cameras on. I guess that is also the problem, at the moment the focus is on nice videos and pictures, but it is changing. In my opinion you are on the forefront, so keep pushing. I am trying to be there too and realized that the word drone is way to much preoccupied.

I agree with you that the agricultural field might be the best. Especially universities who do research in that field might be early adopters.

Comment by John S on July 28, 2017 at 4:27pm

Have you or are you also considering a beta/early adopter program? Example:  Beta Program where participants each receive the platform and training. participants agree to the Beta rules and Testing/Operations scenarios, that is they are required to perform X number of operations per month and Video record that as well as report findings and flight logs back so engineering can provide enhancements and your company can utilize the program for advertising. You could do an open Beta or Closed Beta, Open is public and closed is for select markets. For closed beat with the flight times you have, I could see the agricultural, USGS, Emergency Responders (Forestry), FEMA, Oil and Gas Industry fields being a great match, of course there are others as well.

In this program, you could market the benefits to the participants, such as: Keep the product, free OEM training +Cert…. and you get customers, marketing, critical feedback.

The HYBRiX is a nice-looking platform, like the specs and certainly the duration. I would recommend providing more info on your site, such as payload types today (camera type, Lidar..), planned payloads, compatible GCS platforms (Tablet, PC?).  the more information the better

 

Comment by ERIC WIKRAMANAYAKE on July 29, 2017 at 6:53am

Hi Jose,

Your product looks ideal for the markets you have chosen (search and rescue, etc)  in terms of endurance.

We would be interested to partner with you. We have just developed the first Commercial grade Remote Cockpit for the Arducopter/ PX4 platforms and your product looks promising for us.

Please have a look at www.tengriuav.com and get in touch if your interested.

You should also consider an X8 configuration for markets such as Search & Rescue

as a quad configuration may lack the redundancy and reliability for these markets.

regards

Eric

Comment by zhangqi on July 29, 2017 at 8:42am

We are in the same situation,We also strugling to find customers now.

I believe that we will have good future, and so I think you and your company will.

Just hold  on to the last.

Comment by Jose Luis Cortes on July 29, 2017 at 9:53am
Nice range extender! Yes, i think we have the correct product.
Yes, first responders, search and rescue... is perfect for our platform
HYBRiX is ready for X8 configuration, we prefer to fly with 4 motors because it is lighter and less consumption, but we can install 8 motors.
This remote cockpit is like a OSD but over HDMI?, nice product!

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