I have just bought the ArduPilot Mega 2560 Full Kit... plus the Triple Axis Magnetometer HMC5883L. I should have it built over the weekend.. then i'm off to a my mates machine shop, and i'll make the splitter plate for the lower frame onto which i am going to fit the Ardupilot. the magnetometer i'll put on the tail as suggested. I am going to use my X-cell Razor 600E. For those that dont know its around the 50 size nitro heli.

Do i need to buy any other sensors i.e. the Sonar... i can fly a helicopter all day long but this is my first time flying one with stabilisation so any tips would be gratefully appreciated.

If this works well then i am going to try and use it on my x-cell gasser. i can get up to 20 minute flights with this. But i think for the time being a battery 600 is the way to go.

i'll post some pictures when i have it all together.



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Malcolm you have earned your wings!, and save us from the same fate. Thank You for being first, it is tough, I have a pile of broken parts from AP original flight testing,
Don't let Murphy Law get you down, I admire your drive to get this software right!
Thanks Again
Got the bit between my teeth now. Its not like its the first one i have ever put in, this by chance was a nice light crash :)

I'll get there Mark, thx's for the support :)

Just thought i would add the pre trial test without the canopy attached, sorry for me chatting away, but was really happy that it was flying :)

Hey Malcom are you gonna update the build guide for us?

Hi porto, i'll go check the code tonight and update it tomorrow at work.
i need to have a quick chat to randy too.

Hi Randy did some more testing to day.

These are my findings.

Stabilise Mode.Tail sometimes turned without any input from me up to 150 - 180 degrees.I fixed it by putting the tail control direct to the RX


Loiter modeWhen switching from Loiter to Stabilise -- the helicopter would forget its level -- i would have to move the cyclic stick to try and keep the helicopter level. Then reboot the APM to get it to return to the level.


While in loiter mode the altitude hold was ok i think i can tune this with the PID controller.

The Loiter PID control.Couldn't hold it in loiter mode for too long, the helicopter would try and move to position but it had quite a lot of angle on the heli, and moved way too fast. I tried to turn down the PID. I think the best bet might be to have a maximum speed plus maximum angle. This would slow the heli down and also not allow too much angle on the Heli ... maybe 5 degrees.


What do you think ?

Malcolm and Randy,


With our tests on a Logo 400 this is pretty much what we saw.  We were able to get alt_hold mode to kind of work using the barometer (~3 meter accuarcy), but it was good enough.


We flew the helicopter about 50 yards away and switched to RTL mode.  During our first flight the heli did a very aggrestive tilt and tried to fly back to home but was dropping altitude so fast we flipped back to stabilize.  We recovered and I knocked the Max_Pitch number down.  While our aggresive behavior was inducing a large roll we thoerized that the heli code was reading just one paramater for the max movement.  It seemed to work as the next time we flipped to RTL we had a good experience.  The heli returned to home, overshot and flew back. 


We did two or three flights tuning the NAV PIDs using the RTL and we got it pretty locked in.  We had to stop testing though when we booted up the heli and stabalize mode had lost all swash plate control.  We've run into an issue where on random boot-ups the swash plate loses nearly all it's range.  We fix it by re-downloading the code and running through the setup again. 


As an aside, we've never run the tail through the ardupilot in the air because on the bench it wanders a fair amount.  We would love it though if we could get it locked in as having to constantly unplug the tail servo in and out of the ardupilot and the reciever is a pain in the tail. 


We would love to help fly new versions of the code with our heli.


Ardupilot Mega 3.6 HELI

Logo 400

Compass, UltraSonic Range Finder, all the trimmings,

Can any of you guys click the link above "setup Instructions" and tell me if its working.

 Hi chad will talk more when i get home from work



seems to work fine.  I opened up the arducopter tradheli setup doc with no problems.

Great news.  I've never even tried RTL myself.  great to hear it kind of works.


so when you're saying the tail isn't run through the APM, you mean you control it directly from the radio?  Have you tried using the APM but also with an external tail gyro?

There seems to be a parameter called PITCH_MAX which you should be able to set from the AP_MissionPlanner's configuration screen (on the left pane).  It's 22degrees by default but try making it 10.


also reducing the IMAX on the loiter would probably be good.  Perhaps make it 700 or so (7 degrees).

yes i tried running through the APM but it kicked the tail a couple of times so i removed it and went directly to the APM, i was using the external Gyro.
So when you go to the gyro set-up screen, if you type gyro on, does this tell the APM you have a separate gyro?

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