Ok guys, with all the people waiting on APM2 and all the exciting new alpha and beta releases of APM firmware coming, I think many people are starting to chomp at their bits, a little.  

To that end, I've opened up this discussion for all those with complaints.  As I've joined the Dev Team, and not at a productive stage yet, I'll monitor this discussion, and relay things to the others on the Dev Team.

These could be both hardware or software, or just general rants and raves!

Hope everyone takes advantage of this!  Maybe we'll all learn some things in the process.

Just wanted to add this response from Chris Anderson:

Please just contact sales@3drobotics.com and inquire about the status of your order. They are not necessarily shipped in order. For example, the unsoldered ones are shipped first, because they're faster to put together. Then soldered with GPS, then soldered without GPS (or maybe those two in reverse order, I can't remember). There are approximately 50 going out each day and the team tells me that the backlog should be over by Mon/Tues of next week. 

I agree, please use this discussion for Rants and Raves.  Order issues should be directed to 3DR directly.  I think you will get better response there.

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RANT--- So I have posted 18 messages or questions in the last 2 weeks, ranging from Xbee fubar to a popped loose GPS module, and only one of them has been replied to regarding PID settings. Hard not to take that a bit personally.

I have to ask... Have I done something to make the group flame me, or are my questions just that far out there no one knows a solution?  Most of my issues I thouroughly research prior to posting, but I thought that was the idea, save time by pointing a person in the right direction.

I bought into the whole DIY Drones group for the support of this forum, and I am just not feeling it...  I may be personlizing this a bit, but if no one will help me cause I did something out of protocol, I will gladly stop posting questions, seems to be a waste of time posting when no one responds.  If I double post, so that others can see it, I get ignored anyway.

Should I abandon this screen name and start another?  It has been frustrating at best, only forum I have ever had a problem getting community help in like this.

No, I don't think that's the problem. Here is my habit on the forum and may explain it. I just hit the home page and skim the posts to see what's going on. If I see a question I might know the answer to, then I reply. Some stuff like PIDs and so on I don't have the experience to answer. So likely for the short period of time your message was on the home page, either other people posted a lot of posts (and that happens a lot) so your message kept getting moved down and then it's off the page or people just didn't have experience with your problem. I don't browse the categories often (don't have the time), so if it's off the front page and buried in a category, I and a lot of others are never going to even see it.

Seriously, don't take it personal. I think based on the way the forum works this is exactly what has been going on.

Hey Ian, don't take it so personally. ;-)

Many people to too pre-occupied with the Arducopter 2.4 release discussion.  As you can see there's been  49186 views there.  I also noticed that you are not a member of the ArduCopter User Group.  If you post questions there you should get better response.  Every member of that group gets an email when a new post is made.

So is it considered bad form to keep responding to your own post to get it back in the top on the posts?  I have been in some forums that considered this an annoying no no.  I needed help, but did not want to be annoying :0.

I see, I thought most of my questions were pretty general regarding x bees and gps and such, figured open pool would be better.  Maybe I should just post to the Arducopter 2.4 release discussion :).  That would be bad form HAH!.  Seriously, this post has been the first to get more than 1 response....


Well, you should post to the Arducopter 2.4 release discussion, if it's related that release, otherwise, you'll still get drowned out.  The Arducopter Users Group is probably best for general type questions.

Sorry really dumb question, I went to arducoptor user group, but can't find where to become a member of that group...  Found rss feed, what am I missing?

I can't see it anymore, but I think there's a button just about the list of members for joining, if I recall.

Ian, I don't think that's a great solution.

To answer your original question, I think the problem stems from two reasons, maybe 3.  None of them are because you smell bad. ;)

1. I think the forum software is not user friendly.  The presentation is cluttered, fractured, and not easy to follow discussions.  Your stuff falls off the page fast, and that's the end of it.  Nobody looks back 2-3 pages, and there are only 10 threads on a page?

2. Many questions have already been answered (I don't know if that applies to yours).  And since the search does not work well, how would the poster know?

3. People are *really* busy working on their setups and not paying attention to the forum.

Well thank god the internet doesn't carry smells, I might be in trouble.  HAH.

So should I repost my original question back to Arducopter forum now.  Some seemed a bit OT for that specific forum...

+1 Robert, perhaps with the influx of orders for the APM2 we might get an upgraded forum one day ;)

I've posted a few random posts with no response so deleted them, was wondering if i smelt. But then realised how many very pertinent posts and questions I'd missed due to not scouring and re-sorting various forum post lists. 

Maybe ask a question, if no one answers have a rant about it here :D

I've had so much help here i try to answer anything i can when i have time, which admittedly hasn't been much lately... so worst comes to the worst PM me ;)

Rant: Cloning the repository from .git is 400+MB!!, SURELY it can be reduced in size???

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