Great news for the hobby comunity. Not only do you now have insurance you have a sanctioned hobby with legal avenues to buy and fly your creations.   

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what is the FAA going to do if we don't abide by their rules on UAVs?

Men with guns and badges will surround you, hold you at gunpoint, throw you to the ground, and put you in a cage like an animal.  They will also seize all your gear.  The next morning when you see the judge he will set an outrageous bail for you.  If you can't make bail you will sit in jail for 6 months to a year until your trial begins.  After 10's of thousands in lawyer fees you'll be fined an exorbitant amount of money, your gear will not be returned to you, and you might also have to spend some time in jail and/or will get a suspended sentence.  Besides the fine you'll be sentenced to community service and be on probation for 6 months to a year or more.  During probation you'll be drug and alcohol tested regularly, have to report to probation on a regular basis, and if you get so much as a jay walking ticket you'll go back to jail to serve the remainder of your suspended sentence.

Does that sound good to you?

How many people do you think are going to be rolling around in the area with a RC transmitter and drone control gear?

You do also realize that with one doppler setup they can get an almost exact bearing on your TX location don't you?

If you trouble the FAA enough to want you shut down all they have to do is call any of the agencies and say they've identified possible terrorist activity.  You'll be shut down so fast your head will spin.

Realistically, with a helicopter and a doppler radio locator you'll be pinned to the ground before you can even shut your TX off.  And that same heli will simply fly over your prized UAV and the rotor wash will drive it right into the ground, no firepower required.

> I honestly do not give a fuck about the FAA when it comes to hobby drones.

I agree with your sentiment.  I have no respect for that bogus, bloated, fradulent, corrupt bunch of backwards idiots.  But I DO fear them.  They have way too much power IMHO.  Your best bet is to stay under the radar.

I've had perhaps more than my fair share of dealings with the law.  What I can tell you is that you'd be amazed how fast the police can figure things out and find you.  They'll roll around the area asking people "Who flies RC planes/drones/copters?", and it won't take long for them to get your number.

It's very hard to hide something like this because people notice and talk.  When cops ask questions chances are that they will quickly find you.  They have no problem intimidating people, asking around at the post office, and so forth.  Most people are mentally weak and almost all of them actually want to talk to the police.

I had a friend tell me once when he spilled the beans and got another friend served some sort of silly subpoena he was dodging that "They came here asking questions, what was I supposed to tell them?"

The answer is simple and will save you and your friends a world of grief.  "I don't talk to pigs." Short and sweet, they usually spin on their heels and leave.

In no circumstances is it EVER a good idea to talk to cops.  Even if you are innocent or it's not about you or a friend.  This topic reminds me to post a video for everyone out there.  It's a little long, but never in my life have I seen so much info and good legal advice thrown our so fast and so clearly.

EVERYONE needs to watch the following video.  In fact, download it and show it to all your friends and anyone you care about.

"Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

At least watch the first half.  The second part is by a cop turned lawyer and is also very good.  The guy talks a mile a minute so it's well worth your time.

Remember that you will be operating outside of Federal law.

There's only way they can hem it in... We'll see if it comes to fruition. 

Who are the AMA and why should we care about their rules?

What am I missing?

I assume you are being retorical... I would rather work with AMA than FAA in terms of this community.

@jonathan... Your other posts tend to regard our UAVs as general aviation, when they are more recreational models in their pedigree.

The only person's I "have" to work with is the government due to my social contract with them called the United States Constitution.

I don't care what the AMA has to say about UAV's,  General Aviation,  Recreational Models,  especially if it tries to place restrictions or guidelines for whatever ideal of the hobby they have in mind.  

I'm sure they are informed reasonable people,  but what does the AMA have to do with Drone "laws"?  Nothing.

They are just an opinion.  One I probably respect but don't necessarily agree with. 

They can make whatever rules they want for their private property,  because I respect private property laws.  But if they are trying to place rules on the hobby in general,  they can go "pound sand".

You don't own any personnel airspace the government regulates all airspace from 1' up.

You might as well post the nut of the case law...

a landowner "owns at least as much of the space above the ground as he can occupy or use in connection with the land," and invasions of that airspace "are in the same category as invasions of the surface."


That leaves things pretty wide open.  With the proper permits I can build a structure of any height I can afford to build to.  The FAA rules are that planes have to operate 500' AGL or 500' above the tallest structure.


I think the reasonable interpretation of this is that you own 500' or 500' above your tallest structure.

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