diydrones2024-03-28T21:17:21Zhttps://diydrones.com/group/flight-standards/forum/feed/allSo Simon made a proposal for preflight (etc) checklists...https://diydrones.com/group/flight-standards/forum/so-simon-made-a-proposal-for-preflight-etc-checklists2013-10-06T22:33:54.000Z2013-10-06T22:33:54.000ZKevin Hesterhttps://diydrones.com/members/KevinHester<div><p>We are discussing it here: any feedback our help would be welcome...</p><p><a href="https://github.com/arthurbenemann/droidplanner/issues/330#issuecomment-25778433">https://github.com/arthurbenemann/droidplanner/issues/330#issuecomment-25778433</a></p></div>Ask not what your hobby can do for you but what you can do for your hobby! A Simple idea for a big problemhttps://diydrones.com/group/flight-standards/forum/ask-not-what-your-hobby-can-do-for-you-but-what-you-can-do-for2013-10-05T17:08:35.000Z2013-10-05T17:08:35.000ZJared Reabowhttps://diydrones.com/members/JaredReabow<div><p><a href="{{#staticFileLink}}3691066602,original{{/staticFileLink}}"><img width="750" src="{{#staticFileLink}}3691066602,original{{/staticFileLink}}" class="align-full" height="437" alt="3691066602?profile=original" /></a></p><p>A Simple idea for a big problem</p><p>Rc model safety, Is everyone doing</p><p> what they can do to protect out hobby and the public.</p><p></p><p>(summary: I would like a splash </p><p>screen to be implemented on all software that gives safety tips each start up)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="{{#staticFileLink}}3689552093,original{{/staticFileLink}}"><img width="750" src="{{#staticFileLink}}3689552093,original{{/staticFileLink}}" class="align-full" alt="3689552093?profile=original" /></a></p><p>Full story</p><p>Please don't take the following as me bossing around, this is a suggestion I feel very strongly about and so should everyone as it will effect everyone.</p><p>So recently (very recently) Multirotor and other RC model safety has been brought into the spotlight.<br />there have been deaths, injuries, cuts, bruises and damaged Egos, btu most importantly bad impressions and opinions.<br />With all this negative attention I foresee this blowing up very soon and being the central gaze of media.</p><p>And even though we have all sorts of blog posts with advice in hindsight, nothing has been done, so action needs to be taken, Because the sooner we do something about Rc model safety, the leaner the consequences will be.in the long run.</p><p></p><p><br />I would like a splash screen to be implemented that gives safety tips each start up</p><p>on all RC related software, not only on Droidplanner, which Arthur supports (the creator or droidplanner) but on software like Missionplaner, Andropilot, open9X etc<br />anything that is an aid or enabler of RC flight (remember that boats, cars and subs are also classed as drones in the laws</p><p></p><p></p><p>T<span>he m</span><span>ain message ontop followed by the sub message (they could be comical or upbeat )</span></p><p>eg: (main message)<br />(example of message below)</p><p>Return to launch (RTL) only flies in a straight line,<br />it wont watch out for that tree</p><p>Return to launch (RTL) Do</p><p>esn't know when it is going to hit something, <br />make sure the path is clear!</p><p>Return to launch (RTL) Don't fly if you plan on using it.<br />It Doesn't give you wings!</p><p>Return to launch (RTL) Is n</p><p>ot capable of flying through objects, <br />so don't make it try!</p><p>Prison or Freedom, only one accident away<br />are you willing to risk your own life?</p><p>Life or Death, Only one crash away!<br />Is life in prison worth it?</p><p>Your life and spectators, Would you let someone new fly close to you?<br />Don't let the inexperienced fly dangerously</p><p>Medical,court and insurance costs, Are you rich enough?<br />Don't endanger others or their property</p><p>Damage, how much is their car worth?<br />I don't think you want to find out</p><p><br />Good luck to all who recognize the benefits <br />Another idea from me :) hope you like<br />Regards Jared Reabow<br />@MultirotorGuy</p></div>AOPA Airspace integration online thinghttps://diydrones.com/group/flight-standards/forum/aopa-airspace-integration-online-thing2013-06-17T18:21:36.000Z2013-06-17T18:21:36.000ZGary Mortimerhttps://diydrones.com/members/GaryMortimer<div><p><a href="{{#staticFileLink}}3691031925,original{{/staticFileLink}}"><img src="{{#staticFileLink}}3691031925,original{{/staticFileLink}}" width="646" class="align-full" alt="3691031925?profile=original" /></a></p><p></p><p>This is I think where I would like us to be heading. Individual certificates that clock up to being able to show useful knowledge.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.aopa.org/asf/osc/loginform.cfm?course=unmannedaircraft&project_code=&">https://www.aopa.org/asf/osc/loginform.cfm?course=unmannedaircraft&project_code=&</a></p><p></p><p>A wry smile raised for the airframes chosen for the banner pic...</p></div>CAA BNUC`shttps://diydrones.com/group/flight-standards/forum/caa-bnuc-s2013-05-30T13:13:47.000Z2013-05-30T13:13:47.000ZDean Wyntonhttps://diydrones.com/members/DeanWynton<div><p>I know someone two people that today will be taking their BNUCs flight exams today 1 of these people has never had any interest in anything technical and never picked up a transmitter, and has had maybe a week of practice using a DJI Phantom and an S800, which he hasn`t had to practice with for long as it has spent alot of time back at the dealers for repairs and problems, he told me yesterday that he crashed because he flew through some woods whilst wanting to film bluebells and crashed without damage into the soft floor because he lost GPS signal and had to fly in Atti mode...</p><p></p><p>He always flys in the compass mode so orientation wasn`t the issue, it was just that it kept drifting forward instead of stopping when the sticks were left alone, so he ditched the throttle. It will be really interesting to see if he passes? from what I have heard about the test I am sure that he will but it is scary to think how many people are just buying a ready built product, passing there test and then putting themselves up for hire.</p><p></p><p>I can only see problems ahead, there has already been one documented account of someone crashing into the Thames near a huge crowd of people, after what looks like he ran out of battery? If one of these unexperienced pilots loses GPS signal it could be quite dangerous..</p><p></p><p>I myself have lost GPS even with a clear line of sight to the sky above whislt flying over the O2 dome through the lattice of steel cables, whether it was caused by the cables or some kind of interference from communications equipment I am not sure, but something like that happening to someone inexperienced could have led to an accident?</p><p></p><p>Personally I think the flight tests should be carried out without the aid of accelerometers and GPS position hold to show the ability that you can actually fly and if all the fancy sensors fail you can safely bring back the machine and land. And as Gary states they should actually understand why their equipment flys and even have some knowledge of how it was built, and what goes where</p></div>The Bicycle and the UAVhttps://diydrones.com/group/flight-standards/forum/the-bicycle-and-the-uav2013-05-30T07:46:03.000Z2013-05-30T07:46:03.000ZMonroe Lee King Jrhttps://diydrones.com/members/MonroeKing<div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I was having a conversation with a good ol aussie fella about regulations and together we came up with this analogy quite by accident.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://api.ning.com/files/BykvwnNi9Luqvr-k3uUjgsbaRQwIJzH9HiNH3ziyQQcCU1BAOJgTppmTOjg5BdHQFNd25n59aKKY8T4hnrdNCvfISXXzBWb2/flyingbike.jpg"><img class="align-full" src="http://api.ning.com/files/BykvwnNi9Luqvr-k3uUjgsbaRQwIJzH9HiNH3ziyQQcCU1BAOJgTppmTOjg5BdHQFNd25n59aKKY8T4hnrdNCvfISXXzBWb2/flyingbike.jpg" width="500" alt="flyingbike.jpg" /></a></p><p> Having a pilots license to fly a civil aircraft has little to do with flying model aircraft! I know plenty of pilots that would crash a model aircraft in 5 seconds! But being in the same airspace with civil aircraft and civil pilots is the problem. Being a pilot I know the regulations for civil flight. It's like this "The world of the air has it's roads and rules just like driving a bicycle.</p><p> If your riding a bicycle you don't need a drivers license! But! If you don't know the rules of the road? Your going to run into trouble! Knowing the rules of the road are common to most everyday people. Knowing the rules of the air is very uncommon! It's like not knowing a red light means stop.</p><p> Pilots navigate just like people in cars do only in a different way! If you can read a nautical map you can see right away there are a lot of rules and a lot of different kinds of roads! The thing about the sky is it's 3D! And it has a whole new dimension added! Driving a car is more like a 2D world.</p><p> You would think in a civil aircraft you could turn sharp and avoid a collision. That really is not the case! Aircraft turn slowly when flown safely! Your average pilot is not a aerobatic flyer (not even close)! That's like the difference where your grandmother driving off the road right onto a race track!</p><p> Your average pilot is like your average driver and just as fallible himself! Lot's of people have a drivers license and can drive a car. Getting a pilots license is about the same thing not everybody is the greatest driver but they are driving on the road.</p><p> Flying is very safe and there are fewer cars on the "road" but you get what I'm leading into?</p><p>Anyway all the governments want to do is ensure everyone's safety! I don't agree with all the rules of the road! (I hate seat belts) but I have to follow them anyway.</p><p> Granted most hobby drones wont fly above 400ft AGL but if they do! You understand that's like a baby stroller coasting out onto the road :)</p><p> What they want is to insure that doesn't happen. </p><p> How will they do it? Well time will tell, but there is a point to knowing the rules of the road.</p><p> I just want you to know I'm not advocating anyone getting a pilots license! I'm just trying to provide a glimpse from another point of view. I'm not suggesting a bicycle license either! But I would suggest knowing the rules of the road before riding on one :)</p><p> Learn about airspace and your going to be safe and ahead of the game.</p><p> Cheers!</p></div></div>It starts with a paper darthttps://diydrones.com/group/flight-standards/forum/it-starts-with-a-paper-dart2013-05-29T06:04:41.000Z2013-05-29T06:04:41.000ZGary Mortimerhttps://diydrones.com/members/GaryMortimer<div><p><a href="{{#staticFileLink}}3691026325,original{{/staticFileLink}}"><img width="150" src="{{#staticFileLink}}3691026325,original{{/staticFileLink}}" class="align-full" alt="3691026325?profile=original" /></a></p><p></p><p>All too often I read a chain of messages that flow something along the lines of...</p><p></p><p>Wow this looks cool I'm going to get me one. Folks tell me what I need. Folks help me set it up. Folks there is something wrong with the autopilot it only makes my plane crash. No really I hate it here because this does not work. </p><p></p><p>Eventually far down the line the person admits to having never flown anything and having no understanding at all of what the control surfaces do.</p><p></p><p>Paper darts can save a person a stack of cash whilst learning IMHO. If we are going to have some standards we should start at day one 0900 not Thursday at 1430 with a jet for our first aircraft.</p><p></p><p><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/wedcZp07raE?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0"></iframe></p><p></p><p>Should the first task for somebody arriving into some sort of certification process be to prove they can make a paper dart fly 20 meters?? Perhaps special mention to the longest flight (with proof and a league table)</p><p></p><p>Some handy links</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bring-science-home-paper-planes-drag">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bring-science-home-paper-planes-drag</a></p><p><a href="http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Aero_p046.shtml">http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Aero_p046.shtml</a></p><p><a href="http://www.paperairplaneshq.com/paper-airplane-designs-for-distance.html">http://www.paperairplaneshq.com/paper-airplane-designs-for-distance.html</a></p><p><a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/Long-Distance-Paper-Glider/">http://www.instructables.com/id/Long-Distance-Paper-Glider/</a></p><p></p><p>Only rule being use only a single sheet of A4 or whatever they call it in the new world?</p><p></p><p><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oK8G-UePTac?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0"></iframe></p></div>Some standardshttps://diydrones.com/group/flight-standards/forum/some-standards2013-05-28T09:25:50.000Z2013-05-28T09:25:50.000ZGary Mortimerhttps://diydrones.com/members/GaryMortimer<div><p>To get the ball rolling.</p><p></p><p>Written in English we have</p><p></p><p>Australia :- <a href="http://www.acuo.org.au/members.htm">http://www.acuo.org.au/members.htm</a> , <a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/lib100071/uas.pdf">http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/lib100071/uas.pdf</a><a href="http://www.acuo.org.au/members.htm"><br /></a></p><p></p><p>Canada :- <a href="http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/standards/general-recavi-brochures-uav-2270.htm">http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/standards/general-recavi-brochures-uav-2270.htm</a></p><p></p><p>UK <a href="http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=415">http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=415</a></p><p></p><p></p></div>