Someone sent me the link of this of the APM rebranding.

ArduFlyer

 

 

 

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Comment by Peter Meister on February 13, 2013 at 12:11pm

The site is very much alive and is not going anywhere (many many people order from him), not sure F1P what you are talking about. Maybe you are being blocked in your region I see the site just fine here in the USA :)

Comment by Peter Meister on February 13, 2013 at 12:13pm

J,

I do not think there is a china prejudice as many of us have been ordering from China for a very very long time. I would also say a lot of the gear DIYDRONES has is made in China, so I do not see how the thread indicates a China prejudice. I think people as passionate about support DIYDRONES is all, and that may show in some of their responses, but rest assured many many DIYDRONES community member are ordering stuff from china daily! Some may not even know it came from there ;)

Comment by Gary McCray on February 13, 2013 at 12:21pm

Hey J, It's not quite that simple and the naivete can cut both ways.

Without the direct and considerable support of DIYDrones, most of what we have just wouldn't exist.

The fact is American manufacturing can't compete with direct Chinese competition due to labor costs and the fact that we Americans subsidized the construction of a lot of Chinese factories that those same American companies no longer use to the fullest.

This leaves a lot of top quality new manufacturing space and equipment up for grabs in China and that is certainly an incentive for them to go direct whenever they can.

I don't blame the Chinese. The fault for this situation rests squarely on American business for moving that business to China in the first place and the Chinese are only trying to make a buck by whatever avenues are open to them.

In fact, beyond normal business interests we need to support DIYDrones and 3DRobotics because they actively support us far beyond their hardware that they make for us. It isn't simply a matter of altruism, it is a simple fact that if we lost them we would lose our primary advocate, supporter and voice.

Not saying don't buy the Chinese stuff, just when you can buy from the source that actually backs us, not the one just in it for the quick buck.

Comment by Peter Meister on February 13, 2013 at 12:22pm

Also, on the topic of this board the Arduflyer 2.5, I want to say it works perfectly. I have one, as I am sure many other DIYDRONE members do. I chose to buy the DIYDRONEs boards by default, but I bought one of the Arduflyers and I can't tell a difference except for the different Radio Modem cable which means a hack job to use the 3DR modems with it, but again they sell their own 3DR clone that is direct fit so thats moot for those who buy the complete kit. Again, RCTIMER sells good quality stuff, his ratings across the RC industry are high, he ships quick, takes returns fast, and the products sold by him IMHO are very very good. I have bought over 30  brushless quad engines over the last year - not a single bad bearing, or failure yet! Just a positive statement from someone who has purchased from him!

Comment by J on February 13, 2013 at 12:30pm

@Peter.  You're correct, this thread does not indicate China prejudice. The moderator's comment at the beginning does. It's also slanderous against a large portion of the planet's population, underhanded, & presumably doesn't include korea & Japan in the east:

Comment by OlivierD. 7 hours ago

That one has been around for a few months, they also copied everything else, radios, gps etc... As anything from the east, no idea what the quality is like.

Comment by J on February 13, 2013 at 12:47pm

@Gary

I wasn't speaking of China vs American business in general, nor am I interested in pursuing politics on this board. It seems a reasonable rule not to do that here. Nor would I consider anything I said simple.

"Without the direct and considerable support of DIYDrones, most of what we have just wouldn't exist."

DIYDrones & "we" are the same thing. It's my understanding that this is a DIY community board on hobby AUV's in general. If not, perhaps it could be called something else to lessen the confusion.

"n fact, beyond normal business interests we need to support DIYDrones and 3DRobotics because they actively support us far beyond their hardware that they make for us. It isn't simply a matter of altruism, it is a simple fact that if we lost them we would lose our primary advocate, supporter and voice."

Once again. Who  is "we"? This community has an identity crisis entirely confusing to noobs. Perhaps I'm drinking the wrong kool-aid?

 

Comment by Peter Meister on February 13, 2013 at 12:55pm

@F1P,

Yes in a perfect scenario we could wish for such, but behind every opensource project comes a potential for success. With success you can guarantee people we seek to make a profit, and they will take the opensource and turn it into a profit vehicle. That is simply the way the world works, I have seen 100s of opensource projects go this route, this one would not be the first to do so. So I think the community expects at some point the community based project will include some business driving manufacturing and asking for payment ;) So its expected I think at least thats my take on it. I do not think that impacts opensource to be honest I think it helps get more opensource projects going and funded!

Comment by J on February 13, 2013 at 12:56pm

@F1P

It's my understanding that the primary value for that large elephant in the corner (the bank roller) is this community. Social nets + makers + drones are all the rage at the moment, & it's common for bankers to attempt to pown grassroots communities. [Elephant + Chris + Jordi = 3DRobotics].  The material products & profits from these belong to that set. Is this incorrect?

Comment by F1P on February 13, 2013 at 12:57pm

Just a few thoughts about Open Hardware and Open Software.

The base purpose of the these communities is not making a profit, but satisfaction the needs of its members in creative scientific and technological activities and of course mutual learning.

The resulting products of this activity are not the property of individuals or groups in any of the conventional legal forms. But respect for individual and collective copyrights is an important ethical component, vital to the  successful continuation and  development of the these communities.

Just as in science, it is important to take care of the moral and ethical side of things.

For example, the creation  of a large number of stub-like projects without real autors source reduces the motivation of other active developers and harms the development of technology in general.

Business in all its forms is just a consumer of open development products and should be interested in creating the most favorable environment for the existence and development any kind of OpenHW and OpenSW communities. =)

Comment by J on February 13, 2013 at 1:06pm

@Peter

I agree with what you are saying, with two qualifications:

1. It's my understanding that this community was built without a round of funding, & that the "manufacturing" costs of AP boards is modest & within the ability of such a community to self fund.

2. Opensource = open & consensus based. I can't seem to find two important threads in this regard.

a) Where is the decision process for determining the software architecture of the NX4 board?

b) Where is the decision process for determining how much the efforts should be expanded into the large scale toy market?

c) Where is the decision process for determining the ownership of the material products which result from this community?

b) Who are the paid developers &/or moderators?

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