Someone sent me the link of this of the APM rebranding.





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Comment by Thomas J Coyle III on February 13, 2013 at 1:12pm


I can tell you right now that I am an ArduRover Developer and I DO NOT get paid for my labors/efforts. I am retired and doing this until I can find a real part-time job.:)



Comment by F1P on February 13, 2013 at 1:26pm

IMHO very bad when the all methods of "competition for profit" transferred into the realm of free development.

Unfortunately, many of open development  gropu suffer from a split forms of activity and try to combine business and  creativity in not a suitable means. The result is bad business and bad creative process.

The most appropriate form for the open development societies is still a kind of academic environment, but less formal, and more freedom from officialdom.

However, depending on the circumstances, can be successful any mixed forms of organization activities =)

And again - this is just ihmo. =)

Comment by J on February 13, 2013 at 1:32pm


The ETH group looks to be a good combination of academic, open source, & pay. They put all their stuff out for others to share, without restriction from what I can tell, & appear to making deeply informed choices. I can't see how paying open source developers is in itself wrong in any way.


I imagine that the there are a few key people on the payroll. That's the general rule for startups: pay who you need for your primary purposes, & get others as cheaply as possible. This maximizes the risk/reward payoff.

Comment by F1P on February 13, 2013 at 1:45pm

Why do it by the developers?

The developers get to work on open source projects a powerful way to learn from each other and exchange experiences and knowledge.

In addition to the successful progress of the project, they are an excellent advertising themselves and their abilities.

The projects themselves can serve with base billets for their follow-up.

So the open development projects also gives them a best launch pad for a search applying of their knowledge and skills.

Comment by F1P on February 13, 2013 at 1:58pm

How it can use the business?

In any case, the best way to develop and use the project can only those who are its author, dull copy running short and it is not effective, since it always remains, and can not plan for the future. So, the "project" means are the people who worked with him.

They are what you have to buy and what to invest money. And if they do not, it is necessary to create and grow.

And sorry bad english =)

Comment by J on February 13, 2013 at 2:33pm
You seem to be describing more of a closed process. Yes, in that case those most invested should make all the important decisions & grab all the booty, while the interns/post docs get an education for their efforts. Why the hell not--they stuck their necks out, had forsight, & made stuff happen. They are just gonna to get a bunch of noise from the passive peasants if they are given any say.

A lack of transparency will pervert an open community. Especially if people were misled for many years & the organizers knew all along what they were up to. Not saying that is the case here, Even if the majority of people are not doing significant work (perhaps this is the case in general for OS projects?) it's important to keep the process open. The reasons not to are to do unsavory things, dressed as efficiency of process. & why call it open if it's not?

There are plenty of tangential benefits from an open process, so I don't see why a group wouldn't if they aren't up to mischief or worried about taking criticism.

Comment by Thomas J Coyle III on February 13, 2013 at 2:38pm


Coffee Cups? Hardly! This effort will help get me a part-time job in the UAV industry here in FL. It just adds to my resume.

I believe that you can take Michael Oborne, one of the MP developers, off of the "getting paid list" as I just donated to him for his efforts in developing and maintaining the MP which is no mean feat. I believe he does all this and has a day job too.


You never can tell. If 3DR ever wants to setup an East Coast effort, maybe they might talk to me first?

Just a thought.





Comment by Scott Fuller on February 13, 2013 at 2:48pm

I ordered 3 of these boards and have them working in various airframes. They work just as well as the 3dR boards. 

Comment by Gary McCray on February 13, 2013 at 3:46pm

I donate what I do here as well, but there really is great benefit of having a commercial enterprise primarily aimed at bot servicing and assisting this effort and that is largely what 3DRobotics is. And they have done a really good job for all of us. In a perfect world we could possibly get by without paid commercial interests.

But the world isn't perfect and what we have is working remarkably well.

That said, it is open source and I buy Chinese stuff too, lots of it.

But don't knock 3DR for being a business and occasionally if it doesn't make much difference choose to buy from them because they actually do help glue this community together and without them it truly would be a devastating loss.

They aren't saying don't buy Chinese, they don't even really comment on it, so your choice as a member of the DIY community I am just telling you how I feel about it.

Comment by Peter Meister on February 13, 2013 at 3:59pm


You make great points, and In a perfect world maybe full transparency would exist. I have learned long ago that full transparency is a dream, not a reality. Not that I am happy with that, but Human nature is Human nature.

OpenSource dreams of full transparency, but as we all know many of the best intended OpenSource project ClosedSource as soon as the BIG Money started rolling in. I mean look at the 3D printer Makerbot, great example of something with the best intentions, but as soon as the $$$$$ were thrown around man did that change quick!

I work in OS development, and I can tell you even Ubuntu the supposed opensource forever Linux distro is in a transition day after day of looking more like a profit center and not a non-profit. So to me, even those with the BEST intention eventually go to the Dark Side Anakin ;)


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