Las Vegas (TBS @ USA Road Trip 11/13)

In this episode we take our custom-built prototype quadcopter down the strip, meet some interesting - and less interesting - people and generally have a great time. Here's the video:

For those of you unaware, there is an airport right next to the strip. There is also a lot of RF emissions. This is why we played it safe and did not fly the Zephyrs down the strip - too many unknown variables.

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Comment by AKRCGUY on April 5, 2012 at 2:49pm


Any info on your webpage about your quad set-up you can share?

Comment by trappy on April 5, 2012 at 2:49pm

Adam, not at this point. We're getting the design finalized right now, learned a lot over the past 6 months and got a design ready that will blow people away :)

Comment by Tim Brown on April 5, 2012 at 3:07pm

Last I checked DIYdrones was supposed to be a community board where people could have friendly discussions about things UAV related. I'd think the wisdom of flying a UAV in the middle of Vegas is a topic where people might have differing but valid opinions. Calling anyone who respectfully disagrees with you a Nazi is not very friendly. The Nazi's executed 4 million innocent people, I just suggested that flying your copter in a highly populated densely built up area might not be such a good idea given the tenuous nature of UAV legality and the fact that FAA regs explicitly forbid flying in built-up areas. 

Comment by trappy on April 5, 2012 at 3:30pm

Tim, I am assuming the term "safety-nazi" has nothing to do with holocaust but with people being incredibly anal about safety (the sentence prior does not relate to your rear end. just pointing that out). I don't see how there is a bigger problem of flying in vegas than flying next to a highway or over an indian holy ground - all of which have been shown here without complaint. I am suggesting that your perception is incredibly flawed by the fact that your imagination as to what could go wrong and the probability of these events being based on hear-say or irrational fear.

To further drive home the point how invalid your arguments are, I welcome you to show me the regulation that forbids me flying in built up areas - as you claim they are in fact illegal. My time is limited, I am pretty much tired of answering everybody's "concerns" and "hardships" regarding these flights. I'd just like to point out that, no matter how hard you look, how much you say to yourself "this has to be illegal - this has to be illegal - how come this is not illegal", you will not find a single LAW that prevents anyone from doing these flights. Believe me, the FAA has looked into an increasing number of these flights - thanks to people like you that are reporting them as something "irresponsible" and "dangerous" - and all the investigations end with the same few sentences. "Thanks for your information and cooperation, we will notify you of the results". The FAA has pretty much acknowledged that UAVs are safe, they do not pose a threat to people and they are going to phase them into the national airspace progressively. Everything you say is completely opposite to what is happening, yet you just come in here and go on spewing stuff that just isn't true as if it were fact. We're not giving people ammunition to ban our hobby, you are :)

Take a close look at that video. There are people waving to the camera, children standing right next to where we are launching and landing. Don't you think that if anyone felt threatend by the UAV, someone would have said or done something about it? And don't try to brush this off as wide-spread ignorance over the dangers, that just makes you come off very arrogant. People are very aware of the technolgoy and dangers of these toys, and they raise very valid questions, but calling us irresponsible or the flights illegal just never comes up.

Comment by Ellison Chan on April 5, 2012 at 3:31pm

Tim, I think the term "nazi" is a modern metaphor for fascism.  Let's not blow it out of proportion, and turn this into an unfriendly discussion.

As for FAA flight rules for models, they are very simple located here:

a. Select an operating site that is of sufficient distance from populated
areas. The selected site should be away from noise sensitive areas such as
parks, schools, hospitals, churches, etc.
b. Do not operate model aircraft in the presence of spectators until the
aircraft is successfully flight tested and proven airworthy.
C O Do not fly model aircraft higher than 400 feet above the surface.
When flying aircraft within 3 miles of an airport, notify the airport operator,
or when an air traffic facility is located at the airport, notify the control
tower, or flight service station.
d. Give right of way to, and avoid flying in the proximity of, full-scale
aircraft. Use observers to help if possible.

So, specifically the rule about flying in populated areas seems to be to avoid noise interference:

The selected site should be away from noise sensitive areas such as
parks, schools, hospitals, churches, etc.

So, to me the LV strip does not fall under 'noise sensitive', and Trappy said that he has confirmed that the quat was flight worth, and statisfies this rule:

b. Do not operate model aircraft in the presence of spectators until the
aircraft is successfully flight tested and proven airworthy.

Rule b) does not mean that the model cannot be operated in the presence of spectators, just that the craft should be airworthy.

Comment by Rory Paul on April 5, 2012 at 5:15pm

Tim you are wasting your breath. Trappy is obviously an attention addict the more people disagree with him or point out issues with what he does the more he revels in rubbing your face in it. The truth is his videos are becoming stale and this is why he needs contiguously push the envelope and there will come a point when he screws up and someone is injured and he scuttles back to Austria. 

Comment by trappy on April 5, 2012 at 5:20pm

Rory Paul, glad you liked the video. thank you :)

Comment by Rory Paul on April 5, 2012 at 5:25pm

Trappy 18 months ago you were relevant now you are need to find a new hobby.

Comment by Ellison Chan on April 5, 2012 at 5:29pm

Ok, guys,  if you want to discuss regulations do so, but please stop with the personal attacks.  It does not advance anyone's arguments.

Comment by trappy on April 5, 2012 at 5:39pm

Rory Paul, as you may have missed it, I'd like to remind you that this forum does not tolerate personal personal attacks. Even if it did, this may not be the best place to voice them, the topic is the Vegas Video. To discuss my relevance I suggest you open a new blog post to keep the two discussions separate.


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