Chris might pull this post down fast when he sees it!!

I am getting increasingly angry at the attitude of UNAV towards Ardupilot, most people know I don't use an Ardupilot, I'm not clever enough to put one together, but I like the project.

I will let you guys read and decide.

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Comment by Paul Mather on November 30, 2009 at 6:18pm
Open source and inexpensive hardware is always going to be a threat for the big dollar guys. If they aren't the only game in town, it's hard to justify the big bucks. So what makes up the difference in price? Profit and time. If the open source and inexpensive projects attract the right attention then in time it will be just as good as the big dollar guy's product.

The down side is ArduPilot's source code is out there for public scrutiny. The big dollar guy's stuff isn't.... so they can make lots of claims that they never have to back up.

So I'd suggest that ArduPilot just keep moving forward. I suspect DIYDroves has about 10 times more developers currently working on the project than any of the big dollar guys....
Comment by Michael on November 30, 2009 at 6:25pm
Ithink we should all just accept that we are here for different reasons. Some, like me are here to have some fun and learn some new skills. Others however, are here for more commercial orientated reasons. One thing that does annoy me is people that are here for commercial reasons and have a wealth of knowledge, but never contribute any of that knowledge. I wish I had more knowledge to share, but alas my background is international relations / policy / politics. As i said before, this is a hobby for me. Something I can do to take my mind of everything else around me and relax, when things actually work that is!!! :)

There are no exceptions for the poor attitude of UNAV towards Chris. Critiquing a product is not a personal attack and to take it as such just highlights that the staff at UNAV are insecure about their product.

Keep up the great work Chris!

Comment by Krzysztof Bosak on November 30, 2009 at 6:34pm
'10 times more developers '
In complex system development, quantity of human interactions is the last thing you need. The community has many advantages like instant data gathering. But the number of loosely coupled/remote ppl participating in the project part-time is the last thing I would cite as an advantage. A community is the best in defining what has to be done, but then, there is the dirty job of keeping the gained grounds in technology domain (regression, testing, storage, change tracking). This is another very weak spot of ad-hoc community, no matter how devoted they are, nobody works full-time.

About Ardupilot code, I looked at it twice the last year, maybe 2h in total.
It is very good, but not excellent enough to be worth re-using and adapting for a typical small company.
For me what is excellent here is the occasional inspiration, but this comes in verbal or T3 contest form, not in the code.

Comment by Morli on November 30, 2009 at 6:39pm
Thanks Bosak, I too did not understand few things you mentioned but tried to answer my perspective. It is like 4 different blind people touching the same elephant describe it differently , Ask 4 normal person( with 20/20 eye sight) looking out through 4 different windows of same house to describe the world outside, you will find 4 different perspectives too. I and other am sure value your perspective but may not agree to same belief. If there is any thing I can help you technically with altimeter problem then pls feel free to ask. BTW I don't have any AP currently and so no real world UAV expereince other then my will and wish to learn, have fun and help if I can. However I do have some real flying exp in UL, ML and LSA aircrafts.
I am not making anyone Richer for now :)) Cheers

3D Robotics
Comment by Chris Anderson on November 30, 2009 at 6:41pm
Guys, I thought this was such an important debate, it deserved its own post, so I've created it here, starting with my own thoughts on the subject.

PS: Krzysztof. The code has matured tremendously over the past year. Please check out the 2.5 beta, which will be out in a week or so. I think you'll find it "worth re-using" ;-)
Comment by Michael on November 30, 2009 at 7:11pm

In complex system development more human interactions is actually a good thing and I can say for a fact that it is actually encouraged in most environments. I work in an environment at the moment that does this and does it well. By using / having access to more people you inevitably pick up issues / problems much quicker. In-fact, the collaboration often takes place with people that have no background in the system being developed. This has the advantage of gaining a different perspective or range of perspectives.

What you talk about is one such model or method of complex system design. Just remember there are many of them, each with their advantages and disadvantages. Unfortunately it is counterintuitive to take a single approach for every circumstance.


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