3.3 million microFarads help your servos and reduces noise

This voltage protector offers 3,300,000 uF of energy storage in a small and lightweight package.

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more powerful multicopters bring us the opportunity to use bigger cameras, very big and complex gimbals, and of course big and powerful servos.

a servo, being a motor, needs a big available "immediate" energy, which means high current, when it starts moving.

 

capacitors are used to store energy for fast discharge application, and most of us know the "voltage protector" devices for RC, which are usually about 10,000uF capacitors that are plugging in the RC receiver and will give more stability and stored energy,

 

with the latest developments of EDLC (electric double layer capacitors) and high energy capacitor,

the ability to use them in the RC field is now possible.

 

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Comment by Rob_Lefebvre on February 17, 2012 at 9:08am

In the screenshot of the Oscope, what is the voltage scale?  Is that full scale?  ie: the voltage dips in the sample without the caps appears to be down to 2.5V roughly, is that true?  Or is it zoomed in?

That is an incredible amount of runtime after the battery is disconnected.

One thing to keep in mind is that generally speaking, the bigger the caps, the less they are able to filter out "noies".  So if you are running large energy storage caps, the voltage supply can still be noisy.

Comment by ARHEXA on February 17, 2012 at 9:14am

yes it is zoomed, but these spikes are still very big relatively,

it's that short actual moment when the motor's coil is being connected and draws a lot of power, just before the 5v regulator detects the lower voltage and start to compensate.

Comment by Sebastian Gralla on February 17, 2012 at 9:15am

you would get better results with smaller "LOW ESR" caps, which are designed to have very fast charge and discharge rates (for filtering out noise)

Comment by Bernard Michaud on February 17, 2012 at 9:52am

Reduction of noise and compensation of sudden high current are not incompatible.

Connecting a 3F capacitor in parallel with a .03 uF should achieve both objectives?

I did not test any of this but somebody must have done it some ware ...

Comment by ARHEXA on February 17, 2012 at 10:30am

Bernard, true, but one should assume every basic  circuitry has a low value capacitor in it to filter noise.

this is more for heavy consuming "power hungry" devices


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Comment by Rob_Lefebvre on February 17, 2012 at 10:32am

Bernard, that is correct.  I'm sure there are caps in the circuit already, but in my experience, they are still not enough sometimes.  Usually when an Xbee is on the frame, all the standard electronic design rules are invalidated. ;)

Comment by Gareth Rens on February 17, 2012 at 10:47am

How long would this power a APM for?


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Comment by Mark Colwell on February 17, 2012 at 11:03am

Nice low weight ~10 grams, with massive charge!  

Could use a single Cap on small (9-12 gr)  4-Ch servos setups, just add it to ESC output connector in parallel, or to a Y servo cable.

The power demand spikes may be the cause of some APM resets, If it happens In the air it can be a disaster, I found this out the hard way from my original AurduPilot 168 re-seting in air. I set Mode to Manual, while AP was busy rebooting, it ignored my command, I watched my StevensAero SportStik (balsa/ply wing & carbon stick) dive and dig a hole in the ground !

I salvaged it for more torture during AP-328 test flights. Now with $20 Castle Creations UBEC and a small $3 super cap  0.1 F, It is air worthy still.

Damage was bad:

Wing was crushed up to main spar on port side,10 x10 cm carbon fuselage shattered, GWS 4:1 gear box destroyed, APC 11x3.8 prop snapped, one servo stripped, Landing gear fractured, All other electronics survived.  

No more power glitches ... Yet...


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Comment by John Arne Birkeland on February 17, 2012 at 11:08am

For this type of application (big servos) there is another solution that might be simpler and also give better reliability, by using less electronics. Get some "high voltage" (HV) servos that can be driven by a 2S lipo directly (or 2S LiFE if you want lower voltage). No need for a ESC.


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Comment by Rob_Lefebvre on February 17, 2012 at 12:08pm

@ John, that is exactly what I'm doing.  Just ordered 4 2S rated servos, and I'll round-file the UBEC.  It's the simplest solution.

@Gareth, I have the large "voltage protector" from Hobby King, and it can power the APM for 2 seconds, IIRC.

Now, one thing that needs to be said, is that I fear these large cap banks might actually introduce noise into the system.  I think I've read that they can pick up EMF and convert it into voltage.  I know that I have in the past left my big cap-bank unplugged for a month, then plugged it into my APM, and the power light turns on for a second then dims.  It got that voltage from somewhere.

This large capacitor can probably power it for a long, long time.

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