Recently I have noticed a massive loss of range with one of my Frsky X8R receivers. I did all the usual things to try to resolve the issue, including trying a couple of other X8R's. I even tried one on it's own with no other devices connected, tried different environments, all to no avail. I went online and found that my problem is far from unusual, there appears to be masses of unhappy owners of these things, all having the same fault, so I decided to look a little further. I replaced the antenna's on the first bad receiver, and no improvement, but I did notice that none of my X8R receivers actually utilise diversity in half or full duplex, only one antenna (the same one on all RX's) actually does anything at all. This includes a brand new, out of the packet RX which kind of indicates possibly a bit of fakery is going on. Both antennas do connect to the RF chip, but from there who knows. A simple test is to grab each antenna, and watch your RSSI, one will cause a plummet into failsafe, the other nothing, no effect at all (my 3 did this anyway) Plotting my RSSI levels on a CRO showed a rolling swing of over 20db, in sync with RFH cycle, This combined with the other test of using a 2 watt full duplex rf booster offering an output gain of +14db and an input gain of +12db only yielded a 3db improvement in the rssi, and marginal (20mtr) increase in the now sub 100meter range, pointing more to a frequency problem, not a front end rf problem, despite no diversity. The only conclusion I can draw is that either the transmitter (Taranis) when in D16 (X8R) mode is missing frequency targets or conversely the receiver is, or the entire block is drifting off frequency and subsequently losing the link at one end of the spectrum, recovering again next time around, hence the sawtooth RSSI pattern. Most disconcerting was that after joining the FrSky forum, and laying out my discoveries as a possible cause for the piles of complaints, my posts and tests were quickly removed, and I have now been kicked off the forum by the administrator with no reason given.. no tears there, but in my book, it's quite telling about the company, no correspondence, just get rid of me before I cost them any sales. Anyway, I am also partly eliminating the Taranis from the cause list as my L9R receivers still get massive range, and my D8R-II also get the normal distances, it is only peculiar to the X8R, however, possibly contrary to that, it still may be a coding issue with the RF from the Taranis end, unique to binding that X8R RX, The thing that seems to possibly back that theory is that none of the complainants could get any of their X8R's to perform beyond about 20-100metres, and some with many receivers, others buying themselves a replacement. Doesn't stop there though, one victim tried a second Taranis but still showed no improvement. It almost seems like a virus infects both units. Mine lasted about one year before the first receiver died, and from then on none of my other X8R's would work either. Very strange problem, it's looking like my only solution is to completely ditch all of my $60.00 X8R's and for RC telemetry just use the D8R and for non telemetry the L9R. Big loss not having the S port direct though. I'd be interested to see if anyone else here has the same problem.
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Wow Alasdair,
What a explanation! I see that you dig deep on it. I'm currently at work, but very anxious to get home and look at the board to follow close your explanations. I don't have the low range problem, but connection the pin1 of cc2500 to 21 of 2431L could be a potential upgrade to turn on the LMA ( am I get it right? )
Yesterday after posting I have tested again the diversity, now with TX attenuator on (range test) and by a glimpse I saw the RX level dropping by 15 points ( rssi scale ) when I covered the 'uneffective antenna'. So , it is not easy to reproduce, but sometimes the signal drops. It could be coincidence or interference, but maybe somehow something is controlling the 2431 rf switch;
I'll try to analyse the rf switch pin with an oscilloscope while playing with the antennas to see if it is really dead or if its active sometimes.
I'll post later ! Thanks again
Hello Alasdair
I own an D8R2-plus / DJT combo and , despite not having any range issue, I could verify the diversity problem in my setup.
Did you went further on it? Do you think it is not diversity at all? I have post a message on their forum asking for explanations.
If anyone could analyse the board and find out if it is an failing board or a project flaw it would be great.
My post : http://www.frsky-rc.com/BBS/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7194&sid=9c...
Regards,
Hi Alasdair,
Thank you for your very informative explaination.
It makes interesting reading and certainly broadens my knowledge-base.
Regards,
gG
Obviously you won't get RSSI warnings using a L9R as there is no telemetry as you recognise. So this does not rule out the transmitter at all.
My advice is first do a standard range test with the X8R, receiver out of model and antenna oriented properly, Tx in RT mode. If you get 30m or more with no RSSI warning the test is passed. The reason for your airborne RSSI warnings will be with your antenna placement/orientation.
If the test fails you know that either your Tx or Rx (or both) are faulty. Obviously you can identify which it is if you can get another Tx or Rx to test with. Other than that contact the dealer for a replacement.
Hi Alasdair,
Thank you for your dedication in solving this matter.
You mentioned in an earlier posting one have to 'unbind' the X8R, prior to binding it again.
I suppose you know how?
Can you please explain the procedure? (I see that Cristian also ask the same question)
Your valued input on this tiny matter will be appreciated.
btw, is this a FrSky recommended official procedure/practice, to unbind, before bind, on the X?R series?
or is it your recommendation to 'make sure' ?
Awaiting your feedback.
Thank you.
gG
Thanks for this heads up!!
I promptly took apart my Taranis and luckily all of my pins were soldered. If it helps any data point the version of my Taranis via the label in the back of the RF module bay is:
A01 US AH 25/03/2014
I have not noticed any issues yet, but I'm glad to have checked this.
Is it strange that the X8R receiver doesn't seem to use both antennas? Is this still the same after soldering all of these pins?
Thanks again for sharing your findings. Have you alerted the OpenTX group also? Since most Taranis owners get their firmware there, I would think that would be a good place to get an alert out to many of the Taranis owners.
One of the key players in the "OpenTX group" is on record as stating that the unsoldered pins do nothing and that this is not a problem. See my post further on in this thread.
I have 5 backboards here, all early model Taranis.A. 3 have the pins fully soldered, 2 are like yours.
I thought I had read about this issue before. There's discussions on this page
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1866206&page=21...
where the lack of soldering the pins was said to not be a problem.
I have two RF modules that I have replaced due to poor range, I'll solder these pins and test, hopefully they will be fixed.
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