New Octo Copter Design/Build Thread

Starting a new thread to show what I'm working on.  I'm building a new Octocopter of my own design.  The goal is to use it for Aerial Photography, lifting a mid-weight camera such as a Sony Nex5.  It will of course be using Arducopter for control.  ;)

I started off researching the various kits on the market, and starting getting analysis paralysis.  I looked at all the options such as Droidworx AD8, Cinestar, CarbonCore, and SteadiDrone.  But I just wasn't happy with the design on them, particularly for the price they ask.  Combined with the fact that I can be pretty frugal, and have a strong DIY ethic, I decided to just design my own.

The basis of the design relies on many of the Hobby King quadcopter parts.  I liked the design of the motor mounts, they are very professional looking, even compared to some of the high end machines.  And I liked that the boom mounts are blocks of aluminum instead of plastic.  Very rigid.  I also liked the look of the dome on their H.A.L. quad, but since they don't sell it seperately, I bought the whole kit, it's only $34, amazing!  I might end up using the rest of it someday, who knows?  So, I basically emptied out their stock of Talon parts, so if you need to fix your Talon quad and the parts are backordered... sorry!

Once that was settled, I set about designing the center frame.  My design required a few things, namely I want all the wiring hidden.  I don't want any spaghetti showing.  Particularly with the ESC's, while still allowing cooling airflow.  This required the center hub to be larger than is typical.  I then needed a smaller subframe to house the avionics.

You can see these plates below.  The larger one houses the HAL dome. You will notice the 3 blue anti-vibration grommets in the middle.  This is the APM1 pattern.  I did that just because.  Maybe I'll use an APM1 as a stand along gimbal controller.  The second plate had grommet mounting for an APM2.  The final plate is the top plate, and has bolt patterns for the Ublox GPS and the magnetometer.

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This next photos shows the avionics frame built up with an APM2 mounted.  25mm aluminum standoffs are used. I don't like the plastic standoffs typically used.  They get loose, and lead to vibration.  They also break easily.  This structure ends up being quite rigid.

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Here is the avionics frame mounted on top of the main frame.  Yes, the main frame is HUGE.  I actually don't see the point in having a tiny center frame, and then long arms.  This seems like it just leads to flex, and doesn't leave you with any real estate to mount your avionics.  

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This photo shows one of my design features.  I put some cutouts on the bottom frame for weight savings, and then made matching cutouts on the top frames.  This creates some nice conduits to run wires neatly.

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Here it is with the HAL dome mounted and one of the Talon arm mounts bolted in.  I'm really happy with how stiff the assembly is already.

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Here it is with one of the arms mounted.  These are the short 220mm arms, I also got some of the 320mm arms.  One may wonder how I'm going to get away with such short arms and 13" props....  Astute readers will know what I'm planning already. ;)

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This last photo shows one of the ESC's in position. This is a Hobby King F-40A, it's somewhat larger than typical 20A units which is partially why the frame is so big.

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That's it for now.  I had the plates cut out of aluminum to start with because it's cost effective.  If it all works out, I'll probably have it redone in carbon fiber plate for the weight savings.  I was a little uncertain about the weight, but it looks like the frame will come in at 1070g all in aluminum.  That's about 300g heavier than a Droidworx AD8, but not too bad. It will drop about 1-200g if redone in CF.

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  • BTW guys, the HAL motor mounts are in stock.  Stock up!

  • According to this picture of the 215 it has 215mm clearance so I guess that is what they are referring to. My gimbal is less than 200mm so should be perfect.

    So I see it will fit my gimbal but do you think it will be solid enough to support the octo flat out with 320 arms or would I need the 310mm?

  • You think the 310 is too big for the rustyseismic gimbal? The 215mm I didn't think would fit the gimbal but you think it will? I haven't started my octo build but it's going to be with 320 full length arms and no prop overlap with 12" props. Let me know what you think on the sizing because i would like to get this ordered today. I'm not sure how it will all mate together but hopefully it's fairly hackable :)

  • If anyone is looking for landing gear, I found these:

    http://www.quadframe.us/collections/landing-gear

  • Alright, I've got some pictures of the carbon build. I didn't realize I hadn't posted anything yet.  These photos won't do it justice, but I think it looks awesome.  Especially with the G10 avionics plates, and I got a new dome which is more smoked than the first one.

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    This next one shows the landing gear I'm working on.  It's made of 1" and 3/4" square tubing.  Welded as you can see.  It's not the sexiest thing ever, but it's very strong and stiff.  It will be mounted to the Octo with 6 vibration dampers just under the arm mounts.  

    It is going to have a gimbal mount integral with it, that is what the extra tube with the holes is for.  The large hole is for the roll axis bearings.  The small holes will be of a CF plate servo mount.  The whole key here is to have a very stiff but lightweight structure.  The rest of the gimbal will look like the SeismicCWave gimbal

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    When it's done, I'll pain the gear satin black.  Should look better.

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    Here's a sneak peak of what's been keeping me busy.  What could it be?

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    Here's a better hint.

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  • Rob I would be interested in the arm mounts. I will be starting my build in about a week so will post pictures then. Rob also interested in your landing gear as I have nothing for that yet.

  • Bump!
    Anyone have any build photos?  My kit is in the mail... but I'm looking forward to seeing yours, too!

    Share it :-)

    ~jake

  • I received the aluminum plates today, so I'll just check them out dimensionally and then figure out the shipping cost and let everybody know.

    I have 1 of the riser kits left.  Who is going to want one?  Hopefully not more than one other person, because I'll have to order more.  Not a big deal, but it'll be another delay since we're into Christmas.

  • Rob, did you happen to run across this thread. Very nice build and wire rope isolator.

    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1519474&page=1

  • I ended up getting CF props from FoxTech. Haven't tried them out but what bad things do you hear about CF props? Too stiff and may cause video problems? I've also seen some high end octos/hexes use wood props.

    http://www.foxtechfpv.com/1260-carbon-fiber-propeller-cwccw-p-522.html

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