Trim problem.

Have a pitch (fwd/aft) trim problem with a quad and hex with the current 2.1.1, it need max sub trim and almost max normal trim to stay centered in no wind.  I know its not the aircraft motors or esc's as I am experiencing the same issues with both quad and hex when I transfer the APM between the two.  I have no reason to believe its the programming so it leads me to the board. 

Question is:  How can I troubleshoot this?  If I can, what kind of values should I be looking at?

Thanx

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