Permanent TFRs issued for major sporting events and Disney properties

From the AMA Government Relations Blog

The FAA has issued three new Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFRs) creating restrictions for the airspace surrounding major sporting events and the Disney properties in Anaheim, CA and Kissimmee/Orlando, FL. The new flight restrictions permanently prohibit the operation of radio control model aircraft at any time within 3 nm (3.5 statute miles) of both the Disneyland and Disney World theme parks, and for a period of 1 hr before and 1 hr after major sporting events.

Full article here: FAA TFR

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Comment by Jared S on November 4, 2014 at 4:38pm

First they failed at banning all commercial drone operations. Looks like they are attempting a second method. I would like to see a case in front of a judge regarding an illegal flight of a Proto X or paper airplane under a TFR.

It's all about safety!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV6EP9bBbac

Comment by Gary McCray on November 4, 2014 at 5:00pm

I suppose Sony - Disney requested this from the FAA, but even if they did, the 3 and 1/2 mile over sized area would seem to interfere with other venues that might not want to be stuck with it.

I suppose, safety and security (ostensibly for the public) is a justification for the extended area, but if so, this could be a precedent extended to all public gathering places for  the same reason, effectively making it impossible for UAS to be used to record public events.

No doubt safety can be used as the excuse, but as in the recent riots, it can also be used to muzzle the media in it's data acquisition and reporting, and as the recently made public transcripts from that clearly pointed out, that was precisely what the "authorities" were seeking to do.

So, possibly the question needs to be asked safety from or for whom?

Comment by MikeRover on November 4, 2014 at 5:54pm

Note that the TFRs apply to EVERYTHING airborne, not just UAS and model aircraft.  This is not explicitly targeting UAV ops. There is potentially a level of corporate evil at play in Disney and the sporting venues protecting their broadcast and advertising rights in general, but it's not victimising UAV users.

 

It appears to be (ostensibly) for security, so the wide area makes a level of sense for manned aircraft.

 

 

 

 

Comment by Gary McCray on November 4, 2014 at 6:18pm

Nobody is questioning the stated justification of public safety.

But in this case the clear real justification is protecting Corporations rights to sell access rather than granting free public or media access.

Basically it is censorship by scare tactic.

Our government, and the media both capitalize on safety being the only important goal, just like Big Brother in 1984.

And just like that, what makes you safe from them once they have made you safe?

And they are in fact "victimizing" UAS, model and commercial, they are just also doing so for manned aircraft, sort of equal opportunity victimization.

Freedom or safety, that is the big trade off these days and once we have traded all our freedom for safety, who will protect us from the protectors.

Comment by Quadzimodo on November 4, 2014 at 8:34pm
Gary - Can you provide a link to the transcript you reference above?
Comment by Gary McCray on November 4, 2014 at 8:50pm

Hi Quadzi,

Sure, Our buddies at SUAS news:

http://www.suasnews.com/2014/11/32408/transcripts-of-faa-phone-conv...

Best,

Gary


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Comment by Gary Mortimer on November 4, 2014 at 10:15pm

I also made a quick map of all the affected sites, its rough, it does not have all the polygons named but I think they are in the right place. I started out just seeing how SFC would be affected and then thought might as well do them all. The stadiums make the most and the speedways are all named as I had an interest in those having visited several of them playing Forza on the Box of the X with my sons. (I need as much intel as I can get to be able to beat them) 

The biggest problem with this TFR is that many of the games are not automatically mentioned by the FAA when it posts TFRs so you might check online sources and not see anything but the TFR are in operation. Half a mile I would have thought would have been more than enough. Flight over crowds should not be encouraged.

Here's the rough-a-matic map 

Comment by Monroe King on November 5, 2014 at 4:29am

Just the beginning. Drones are so connected I imagine at some point the no fly zones and times will be built into the software. The drone wont fly without an updated no fly list.


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Comment by Jared S on November 5, 2014 at 8:26am

Check out what Douglas DalSoglio, NORAD Operations Division analyst, said about TFRs in 2010. Very poignant. 

[H]e said he wants to see more advanced notice on TFRs and a more "realistic application" of them, using them when necessary and not as a "status symbol" for events. Having TFRs for the sake of having them, he said, isn't security.
"If there is a security threat then the assets need to be positioned to defend against those threats," he said. "A TFR without that defense is, in essence, useless. All we're doing is keeping the honest people out, separating compliance from noncompliance.

From:

http://www.norad.mil/Newsroom/tabid/3170/Article/1487/holding-the-l...

In addition, there are already routes for punishment of bad behavior; reckless endangerment, etc. If your flight is does not recklessly endanger people, who cares if you fly a rubber band balsa airplane 3.5 miles away in your back yard.

In addition to bending to broadcasters, I think the FAA wants to make sure that if someone does something dangerous in their eyes, at least ONE charge will stick (unlike Trappy). Obviously their lawyers determined that sufficient case law exists to likely convince a judge that a TFR has jurisdiction over ALL aircraft.

Comment by Stew Skinner on November 5, 2014 at 12:23pm
So is the Blimp banned from sports events? Oh wait... Corporate money will get around that TFR.

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