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The rules for amateur UAVs going forward

Folks, As you know the FAA is midway in a long rulemaking process to figure out how to integrate UAVs in the national airspace, but the bottom line from the inititial recommendations are as follows: For us (non-commerical hobbyists), you must stay within these limitations: --fly within line of sight --under 400' alt --under 30 knots --under 4.4lb --Fly at least 3 miles from any airport As you're designing your airframes, keep these limits in mind!
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  • Moderator
    What's the framework to get something certified Patrick?? Guess Ardupilot users should club together and pay for one unit to get through. I suppose that means though that only units assembled in a certain place would be legal??

    Is it that the AMA wants nothing to do with hobby UAS??

    Not even on there fields??

    Lets hope the rest of the world does not follow.

    You do realise there is a rest of the world over there??
  • May want to give the document a reread as there are no provisions for hobby UAV/UAS or non-commercial operations.

    1. Definitions
    Model aircraft A sUAS used by hobbyists and flown within visual line-of-sight under direct control from the pilot, which can navigate the airspace, and which is manufactured or assembled, and operated for the purpose of sport and recreation.

    Any non-certified autonomous aids are verboten! No one knows what certification will look like.
    We'll have to trust the FAA on that one...
  • This sounds like a parallel to model rocketry legislation. After 911, the gov freaked, and instituted tough regs on
    rocket engines and even fireworks. They forbid transport by train, which caused many cities to not be able to get fireworks for the show on July 4. Amateur rocketeers were forced to obtain LEUP Low Explosive User Permits, ship their engines by HazMat, and bury them in explosive magazines in the back yard. It has had an adverse effect on the hobby, many people left. After a 9 year lawsuit by the NAR National Association of Rocketry, and the Tripoli organization, the Federal judge finally ruled in our favor. The ATF can no longer claim that our AP Ammonium Percholorate propellant is HIGH EXPLOSIVE. Duh, the rockets don't blow up on the pad!

    You guys need to get a legal team together NOW. Figure out some kind of fund, I myself will contribute. Just a newbie home rolling crude autopilot bits at this time, but already am getting the "wrecked hobby" feeling...
  • As do I - Hopefully the right balance can be struck between amateur, commercial and regulatory interests. Though commercial interests always tend to get their way!

    There is a great opportunity for the country/authority who decides to accommodate amateur UAV development as best it can. Encouraging development can only be a good thing. It could even bring about a whole new industry for that country.
  • Moderator
    Well we shall all cut our cloth accordingly ;-)

    http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1416/srg_str_00002-01-180604.pdf

    Dont forget a framework for commercial use of UAS for aerial photography is on the way and thats cool, at least it will be legal here!!

    if you have forked out money for a UAS and its systems you will also be protected from start ups that have not complied.

    Personally I think its all good.
  • Unfortunately the CAA's "Light UAV Policy" is under review, particularly with regards to applicability (weight, range, etc).
  • Moderator
    I think the UK is going to be a pretty good spot as well!!
  • For reference, you might be interested in the complete Australian version of the civil regulatory body governing aviation on the large island :) http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD:1093291132:pc=P...

    In some respects, these regulations represent some fairly advanced thinking. You'll find the 400 feet rule in here as well. Mind you, we don't have as much air traffic congestion in most areas!

    It could possibly be future heaven for the civil UAV market?
  • Moderator
    Not if you go bigger than 1kg you will need aviation knowledge, might be just PPL subjects.

    No commercial flying is permitted.

    For most users no flight on any yellow bits of an air chart. etc etc etc
  • T3
    You should have seen these rules a few months ago they required anybody acting as a PIC of a sUAV (commercial use) to have a private pilots license...I am currently having a Whisky to celebrate that common sense has prevailed....to an extent... ; )
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