Why NAZA work without PIDS tuning and APM not?

Hi,

All my friends that flying NAZA asking me why i did not buy DJI NAZA as it work from the box.... I build my F450 based on APM 2.6 and still tuning it... Well it still fly like a boat on the sea.. Lots of oscillation etc. My friends have NAZA and they flying without problem :( What is so special with NAZA that APM don't have? I can't make an autotune because i use dx6i so do not know how to setup to make a channel for it... The worst thing is that they have less knowledge and experience then me in RC (i fly helis 600 and 450 size) and they are flying the quads with DJI NAZA and my quad is unflyable because those PIDs thing... WHY NAZA is ready to fly??

My setup, logs and video how it wooble...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s56UBBxiqgI

F450 frame

DJI OPTO 30A ESC

DJI 2212 Motors with 10x38 props

3DR APM2.6 with external compass

3S 2200 40C Lipo

Spectrum dx6i TX with AR6210 with sattelite reciver.

3DR Power Module for APM

I use arducopter 3.1.2 firmware

20140307161659.log

20140307162622.log

Of course i read the wiki and manual (i don't want to loose my fingers :)) My quad is flying but it's have so many oscillation so it hard to control it.. I balance the props, and i check my vibrations with the manual.. they looks very good ( i use the kyoshe gel for vibrations). My friends flying with the customs frames and i use stock F450 with stock electronics.. They can maek w flips etc. Most of them they have first RC model in they hands... My Align T-rex 600 sieze heli with Beastx FBL system is more stable then my quad :/ They all use NAZA and they flying well thats why it's so frustrating.. They even don't use any vibration compensation like i do... That's i'm starting to think to use NAZA then APM... ehhh....

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- Thomas > John McGrath April 20, 2014 at 3:52pm
  
  In all RC You can find difficulties... Flying helis You have to know a 16 directions (invert flying, tic tocs, back flips, front flips, side flips etc). In quads my trouble is those PIDS... I'm not lazy oh god... I buy Gopro camera for videos for the quad... I just want it will fly stabilize to make a video... Just saying that NAZA guys can fly without problem and i;m stuck on those PIDS... I'm not saying that APM is bad.. it just need more work i think.. :(
- Thomas > John McGrath April 20, 2014 at 3:22pm
  
  Of course i read the wiki and manual (i don't want to loose my fingers :)) My quad is flying but it's have so many oscillation so it hard to control it.. I balance the props, and i check my vibrations with the manual.. they looks very good ( i use the kyoshe gel for vibrations). My friends flying with the customs frames and i use stock F450 with stock electronics.. They can maek w flips etc. Most of them they have first RC model in they hands... My Align T-rex 600 sieze heli with Beastx FBL system is more stable then my quad :/ They all use NAZA and they flying well thats why it's so frustrating.. They even don't use any vibration compensation like i do... That's i'm starting to think to use NAZA then APM... ehhh....

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