We have been digging into the flight times of our crafts and trying to extend flight times,, recently this was published.
Ragone plot, comparing Li-CNT-F batteries with other batteries in terms of weight of cathode materials.
Based on the 5-8 times Li-Ion type that was compared, Amazing to think of a 10-16 times longer flight time.. I hope these are quick to production
Article Link : http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/07/lithium-carbon-battery-could-be-cost.html
Lithium-carbon battery could be cost effective, safe and have five to eight times the energy density of lithium ion batteries
Journal Nature Scientific Reports - Rechargeable Batteries with High Energy Storage Activated by In-situ Induced Fluorination of Carbon Nanotube Cathode
The advantages of using carbon are that it is cost-effective and safe to use, and the energy output is five to eight times higher than lithium-ion batteries currently on the market. The new battery technology also performs better than two other future technologies: lithium-sulfur batteries, currently in the prototype stage, and lithium-air batteries, now under development. For example, the induced-fluorination technology could be used to produce cellphone batteries that would charge faster and last longer. The research team developed the new battery technology for energy storage using carbon nanomaterials and a process called induced fluorination.
High performance rechargeable batteries are urgently demanded for future energy storage systems. Here, we adopted a lithium-carbon battery configuration. Instead of using carbon materials as the surface provider for lithium-ion adsorption and desorption, we realized induced fluorination of carbon nanotube array (CNTA) paper cathodes, with the source of fluoride ions from electrolytes, by an in-situ electrochemical induction process. The induced fluorination of CNTA papers activated the reversible fluorination/defluorination reactions and lithium-ion storage/release at the CNTA paper cathodes, resulting in a dual-storage mechanism. The rechargeable battery with this dual-storage mechanism demonstrated a maximum discharging capacity of 2174 mAh gcarbon−1 and a specific energy of 4113 Wh kgcarbon−1 with good cycling performance.
Although Li-ion batteries (LIBs) have transformed portable electronics, the energy density and cycle life of existing LIBs, even if fully developed, remain insufficient. Reaching beyond the horizon of LIBs requires the exploration of new electrochemistry and/or new materials1. The recent popular attempts are Li-sulfur (Li-S) and Li-air (Li-O2) batteries. However, there are some formidable challenges for Li-S and Li-O2 batteries, e.g., dissolution of discharging products, poor cathode electrical conductivity, and large volume expansion upon lithiation.

Dual-storage mechanism with reversible fluorination/defluorination reactions and lithium-ion storage/release occurring at CNTA paper cathode.
Li-CFx batteries have the highest energy density among all primary lithium batteries with a theoretical specific energy of 2180 Wh kg(Li+CF)−1. A high capacity of 615 mAh gCFx−1 was also reported for the pre-synthesized CFx cathodes. It is well known that defluorination of carbon fluorides can be achieved with the assistance of lithium cations during discharging in Li-CFx batteries. However, Li-CFx batteries have attracted limited interest because of their strictly non-rechargeable nature16 and the non-environmental-friendly synthesis process for carbon fluorides, e.g., the use of F2 gas and/or catalysts under extreme temperature condition
The complex anion of [F-TPFPB]− was previously found to be reversibly intercalated in graphite with limited capacity, 60 ~ 80 mA gcarbon−1. It is the intercalation of the bulky complex anion of [F-TPFPB]− that will sterically hinder further anion intercalation and worsen the cathode specific capacity. However, in this report, the intercalation of [F-TPFPB]− was successfully suppressed, as suggested in Figure 2f, which may explain the high capacity achieved in Figure 4. The suppression of bulky [F-TPFPB]− intercalation is due to the particular induction temperature (70°C) conducted, which reduces the energy barrier for the F− release from [F-TPFPB]−, and therefore, promotes the intercalation of free F− in CNTA papers. It is also worth to note that the free fluoride ions released from [F-TPFPB]− are originally from the dissolved LiF salts, rather than from the decomposition of TPFPB molecules. It has been calculated that the energy barrier for the fluoride anion release from TPFPB (59.2 kcal/mol) is much lower than the breakdown of a true covalent bond (typically on the order of 100 kcal/mol) in TPFPB
In conclusion, they realized the induced fluorination of CNTA paper cathodes by an in-situ electrochemical induction process at 70°C and in the presence of TPFPB. The induced fluorination of CNTA papers activated the reversible fluorination/defluorination reactions and lithium-ion storage/release at the CNTA paper cathodes, resulting in a dual-storage mechanism. It is the first time that the reversible fluorination/defluorination reactions were realized at pure carbon and non-fluoride materials. In addition, the induced fluorination destructed the graphitic carbon to defective nanostructures, which further facilitated the two reversible reactions at both 70°C and 22°C. The rechargeable battery with this dual-storage mechanism demonstrated a maximum discharging capacity of 2174 mAh gcarbon−1 and a specific energy of 4113 Wh kgcarbon−1 with good cycling performance. This paper uncovers the significance of energy storage by carbon materials at high voltages, and demonstrates the Li-C-F battery system a new promising candidate for the future energy storage systems.

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@Bill
do you have some more infos about your experiences you've made? (battery, prop, motor)
thanks
I just ordered a batch of cells as well. I plan to build my own 3S pack and test with a couple different motors. And yes, the 2C discharge is per cell. I was going to build a 3S3P pack to experiment with.
Right now I'm limited to flying only batteries that I can actually buy. I'm going to do some experiments with Lithium Ion (specifically Panasonic 18650 batteries). They sounds promising, but their big limitation is 2C discharge rate. I was glad to see that ecalc.ch includes these. Looks good on paper so far.
http://www.ecalc.ch/motorcalc.php?ecalc&lang=en&cooling=2.5...|mn3508-20&gear=1&propeller=gws&diameter=15&pitch=4.7&blades=3
We can only hope, I have attempted to see what we could get our hands on from LG through a few contacts we have in development, not expecting much.
Is does seem about time based on what has occurred in battery development to date, then again looking at the rear view mirror to predict the past typically dissapoints or just suprises you all together...
This increase in density along with the consistent improvement in fuel cell technology does provide great hope, I just like everyone, am ready for the next evolution in battery/power supply technology
What's the "OMG amazing new battery idea" count up to now?
Ah, another week, another promising new battery technology. Eventually one of these will go to production.
Sounds very promising and if technologically feasible, like it has the potential to hugely impact battery powered uses like cars and other transport in addition to our needs.
Keeping the fluorine mostly in the form of a salt is definitely a good idea, fluorine is a truly nasty substance otherwise.
I would still guess that these batteries could have unpleasant failure modes.
And at that high an energy density shorting one out could be spectacular to say the least.
We are going to need to start thinking seriously about lithium recovery soon though.
Is activation a 1 time process or does it need to be repeated frequently or at every charge - discharge cycle?