Community Based Organization Standards

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Now that the FAA regs are all but written in stone, many have argued that CBO's can provide their own regulations to circumvent the FAA regulations. What is uncertain is if there is any provision in the proposed regulations for CBOs at all.

The AMA has even pushed an ammendment to exempt only "nationwide" CBOs from FAA regulation through the Senate (but not the House).

There are three possibilities in this morass:

1. The provision for national CBOs in s.223 and other bills passes into law.

2. The FAA regulations provide for CBOs under OMB.119

3. No bill w/ammendment gets passed and there are no CBO provisions in the FAA regs.

 

To dispell much of what has been said about CBO's, I recommend reading the law governing CBO's as standards bodies.

That law is available here it is OMB.119 and defines what a Standards Body is as well as what they can and can't do.

 

Excerpt:

" A voluntary consensus standards body is defined by the following attributes:
(i) Openness.
(ii) Balance of interest.
(iii) Due process.
(vi) An appeals process. "

 

I do not know of a single sUAV or Model Aircraft organization that meets a single one of those criteria.

 

As much as I hate to say it, I see no honest and legal way to get around the FAA in the recreational sector.

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  • There are three possible outcomes in the USA.

    1. There will be no regulation of any recreational sUAS.

    2. There will be regulation of all recreational sUAS.

    3. There will be regulation of all recreational sUAS except for AMA members.

     

    Whether anyone follows them or thinks they are rights/privileges etc. is immaterial.

  • The only conversations that can possible be productive in that line of thinking involve "What can/should the government do to accomodate UAS hobbyists within the current system of laws".  Take your normative debates about the overarching theory of laws and rights under which we operate somewhere else.
  • Nope, what is and what is to come from the US Gov't.
  • Right. But we were talking about how things should be I thought. Not how they are.

    I think we've worn this thread out.
  • You may have God given rights, I do not know. However I would suggest following the laws in the country you live unless you feel so strongly that you are willing to suffer the consequences of violating those laws.

    (IE: Ghandi getting salt from the sea)

  • Ok, I get it. Both of us agree that "this is the way it is", but you go along with it in principal while I don't.  We also disagree on whether or not the govt has the "right" to do what they do. Fair enough.
  • The FAA has been in charge of who gets the PRIVILLEGE to use the NAS since August 23, 1958.

    All you need to do is get 66% of Congress to repeal that Act.

    Nobody has any "right" to fly anything anywhere in the USA, some have privilledges others don't.

    Now just go fly your Learjet without the FAA granting you that "privilledge" and see what happens to you.

  • Why do you equate what I am saying with being stupid? Please re-read my posts.

     

    We as a hobby should have no less right to use the sky than a major airline. So long as we are safe about it. The rules should allow everyone to use the sky. Where I have issue is a law saying I arbitrarily can't. For me, I take issue with the FAA declaring  "All base above 400 feet are belong to us!".

     

    UAV hobbiests are not second class citizens that are instant safety hazards.

     

    What makes the Amateur UAV hobbiest different from a major airline? We don't have millions, lobbiests, and hookers to send to Washington. Otherwise we'd be allowed.

  • That's right, your GOD given rights trump the safety of thousands of people.

    In 1988 an 8 year old girl was exercising her right to fly a kite at a local park in Palo Alto. It was in the landing path of the airport. It was also a 12 foot kite with 200 pound test line. She was lifted 8 feet in the air and dragged 200 feet. The plane had a 2" gash in the propeller and 200 pound line wrapped around it.

     

    That's why you can't do what you want.

  • In the US you have rights spelled out in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Guess who is in charge of that?

    Yup, you can't ride your bike on the thruway and you can't fly your planes anywhere near Washington DC. Soon you may not be able to fly them over 400' just like you can't drive at 100 MPH on public roads.

    No point continuing this. Beleive what ever you want Ti.

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