Hi, I previously set up a KKX525 with the APM2, but when one of my ESC's started fading, I thought I'd try something a little more upscale.
I have now put together a DJI 450F Flamewheel ARF including DJI motors, Opto ESCs and props from "RC-Drones" at a reasonable $180.00 and am quite happy with it at this point in it's evolution.
If you try this there are a few things you need to know, but no real problems.
Generally follow the downloadable instructions I have provided on the Arducopter Wiki for assembling and setting up and testing a quad copter and in addition see below.
1. If you get the ARF kit, it will come without instructions, but the manual can be downloaded from the DJI website under their FlameWheel support section. It is some help.
2. When you assemble the copter assemble the top board so that the narrow slots are in the front and the back and the wide slots are on each side.
3. Use blue or purple thread lock sparingly on all screws and try to keep it off the plastic.
4. One of the nifty features of this quad is that the bottom board is also the power distribution board, heat the connection pads adequately to get a good wet bond with the ESC and Battery Wires.
5. You can cover the solder joints with liquid electrical tape or "Glyptol" if you can find it.
6. I tie wrapped each ESC under each arm with 2 tie-wraps front to back through the arm webbing.
7. You will need to add an external switching BEC, the DJI 30 amp Opto ESCs are great optically isolated ESC's but they do not include a built in BEC. I used a Castle 10 amp switcher for about $20.00 you can get cheaper ones from HobbyKing but you should use a switcher, they are much much more efficient. You do not need to cut or remove the ESCs power wire, it doesn't do anything.
8. You do not need to balance or tune the ESCs as shown on the Wiki (in fact you can't they are not programmable).
9. I recommend O-ring suspension mounting of the APM board between 4 standoffs secured at the ends of the long thin slots at the front and back of the top DJI board (assuming you put it in as I described in (2.) above.) Put a machine screw in the top of each standoff and suspend the APM board between them by putting a thin O-ring through each APM corner hole and passing the 2 loops over the top of the screw in each standoff. Size the O-rings so there is little or no APM board movement, they will still provide good vibration isolation. Too much free movement and they will cause handling lag. If you prefer you can mount a fiberglass or plastic board to the standoffs instead and Velcro or double side foam tape the APM board to it. I like the suspension method best though.
10. DJI supplies 2 sets of props, I recommend that for a 3 cell battery you use the longer 10" ones, Only DJI props will fit the self locking oval shaft of the motor unless you do what I did below. The shorter 8" props are for 4 cell use.
11. I didn't like the DJI props although they worked OK. They are light, flexible, noisy and would break easily. So I bored out some very nice GemFan 11" x 4.5 props that I was previously using on my KK to fit the outer diameter of the oval part of the motor shaft (about .31") and because of a thinner hub section I also had to add a washer under each prop. This is a very highly recommended modification, they are quieter, more efficient and will not break at the first unpleasant encounter. These are not the expensive carbon fiber Gemfans but the $2.50 carbon filled ones and they are still great, however looking at Innov8tive's web site I see they now have a 10" x 4.5 version of this prop already hubbed correctly for the DJI motors, buy these, they are a no brainer. My guess is if you use the stock ones you'll need new props soon anyway.
12. When starting the Flamewheel, it arms as per normal (throttle down and to the right) but if you do not spin the props within 10 seconds or so, the DJI Opto ESCs will shut down and you need to disarm (down and to the left) and then rearm again. Anytime you are on the ground longer than 10 seconds without turning the props you will need to rearm. This is not a big deal. You will quickly get used to it and given the capability of these things to shred flesh you will probably come to appreciate it as a worthwhile safety measure.
13. When you are setting up your board with only the USB connected, the ESCs beep continuously, ignore them.
14. When you turn your transmitter on and plug in the FlameWheel's battery, the ESCs should emit a short musical series and be quiet. You are then ready to arm and fly.
I have only covered substantial differences to the normal quadcopter setup procedure, but I highly recommend the Flamewheel 450, it flies quite well with standard PIDs but I will publish PID info later as I tweak it. (See Below).
Although the current stock PID's fly quite adequately, I have found the following changes decreased "twitchiness" and increased stability:
As of 12 / 8 / 2012
Reduce the Angular Rate PIDs P value from .175 stock to .145
Increase the Angular Rate PIDs I value from .010 stock to .030
Reduce the Stabilize PIDs P value from 4.5 stock to 4.0
The above will be revised as I continue to tweak.
Loiter will probably want some tweaking too and I will publish that after I have more extensive experience.
Roll and Pitch inputs are very sensitive so you need a light finger on the control sticks, but once you learn control with them I think you will be happy with them, If not you can probably detune them with the same PID's I am changing above.
I have a friend who has also successfully set up the Flamewheel F550 Hexacopter with larger motors and Graupner props following these procedures with such adaptations as are necessary with a Hex and he is using stock Hex PIDs.
Hope this helps, please feel free to ask questions I will respond as best I can.
Comments
I also use the DJI 30A ESCs and they work perfectly.
I'm afraid I don't know anything about those ESCs (never used them and I don't think they're on the list of tested hardware). Perhaps someone familiar with them can comment.
What ESCs are you using? Did you calibrate them?
Jeremy: you are arming it correctly, yes? (Left stick to bottom right, hold for two seconds, wait for LEDs to stop flashing)
have you confirmed that the throttle cable is absolutely, positively on the right way? and on the right pins?
MJ
What do you think about this Gary?
http://www.rangevideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPat...
I have one on order and will have a play with it when time permits
MJ.
Click on my icon to find my discussion about the suspended O-ring mount I made for my Flamewheel 330 and how truly successful that was.
My F450 above manages plus and - 5 on Accel vibration.
My F330 gets plus and - 1.
It just means drilling holes for the standoffs and mounting them straight out from each corner, closer to the board and using slightly smaller diameter O-rings.
@ Michael, Very pro camera mount and nice landing gear.
connecting these two threads ....
Check out the gopro gimbal and flamewheel landing gear.
http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/a-simple-uav-gimbaled-servo-con...
MJ
Hi Isaac, As I recall you are running a 4 cell setup and from what others have reported the Graupners are ideal for that on a Flamewheel, but dont spin fast enough for a 3 cell. If I go to a 4 cell setup I will switch to the Graupners.
As it stands the 11 x 4.7 GemFans are really perfect for my 3 cell Flamewheel and give me nice long flight times and are very quiet in a hover.
And Tim, no real negative issues of 2.5 versus 2.0 reported and the separate GPS is a definite advantage especially since it is now easy to use the much superior UBLOX GPS, and of course easier to place with clearest possible view of sky. I will switch up from my 2.0 when I can afford it.
And Michael, In the last 2 updates of the Arducopter firmware, PID and min / max parameters were seriously modified as well as the way these values are interpreted by the internal program. It generally improved things a bit for the standard Arducopter hardware, but for the rest of us it meant that we have to rediscover the correct settings for our own copters which generally speaking are not very much like the DIYDrones Arducopter. The joys of the bleeding edge.
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