Hello everyone, I have received some questions in another thread regarding my large X8 build and I wanted to take a minute and share a project that my company has been working on for the last 18 months. We have put together a heavy lift X8 multicopter as well as a sprayer system for use in agricultural settings. This will be a long post so I apologize in advance!

First, a little background: I am an engineer with a small consulting firm specializing in electro-mechanical system design; most of my clients are in the aerospace or industrial robotics industries. About two years ago, I was approached by a large commercial vineyard and asked to develop a small, lightweight sprayer system that could be carried on a small UAV. The client already had a vendor that would supply the UAV, and we were to design, build, and deliver a working sprayer system that could be mounted to said UAV.

Due to factors beyond the clients control, their vendor was unable to deliver the promised vehicle. My company stepped up and purchased an off the shelf T18 multicopter from a local vendor, and modified it to carry our tank system. Having worked on DoD UAS systems, but not being familiar with commercial products, there was a steep learning curve. Our T18 system was outfitted with KDE 5215-435 motors and KDE 75A ESCs. The autopilot was a DJI WKM (later I would learn that this autopilot was not a feature rich as the Pixhawk/Arducopter system).

The tank system consists of two machined hemispherical caps, bolted to a center cylindrical section. This center section can be swapped out for a longer piece, and thus increase the volume of the liquid payload. There is also a baffling system inside the tank that prevents the fluid surge from causing issues with the flight vehicle. The requirements by the customer were for a 1 gallon payload, and the first tank was designed as a 1 gallon system. Since then, we have also designed a 2 and 3 gallon system.

The concept behind the sprayer is to use pressure to dispense the liquid in the tank, rather than having an electric pump on board. This pressure driven system has several advantages over a more conventional system, most notably significantly lower weight. In addition to being lighter than a comparable pump based system, the pressurized tank also has no parasitic electrical draw from the vehicle's flight battery. This means that we are able to get more flight time for the same amount of liquid payload. The liquid is released by triggering a solenoid valve; the valve is powered by a small 3S lipo. The spool on the solenoid is the only moving part in the system, and thus is very reliable.

The tank is filled on the ground via a fill station, which consists of a closed loop sump and pump system. This allows the operator to mix the product outside of the tank, and then fill the tank without being exposed to any pesticides or herbicides.

We used the sprayer tank system on our T18 octocopter for almost a year, in various locations and field conditions. We also received great feedback from the customers and potential end users. Several key points that we walked away with:

  • The vehicle needs greatly improved flight time (we are getting approx 8-10 minutes with a full tank)
  • exposed wiring/autopilot/ESCs are not acceptable, they are fragile and can be easily damaged by dirt/dust/pesticides during spraying and rough handling on the ground
  • The vehicle needs to be sealed from dust and water
  • The clamping system for mounting arms and motor mounts is unacceptable. The integrity of the mount is dependent on tightening lots of small screws, which strip easily and loosen each flight
  • The vehicle should be able to be broken down for shipping, and fit in the back of a pickup truck at the worksite.
  • The vehicle needs to carry a variety of payloads. Ideally the same unit should be able to be configured to carry the sprayer system, a camera system, and have a standard interface that allows other future payloads
  • Be able to be maintained with simple hand tools (ie field replaceable parts, no complex mechanical assemblies)

Armed with this information, we looked around to try to find a vehicle that met our needs. After months of searching, we came up empty handed. We realized that the performance of our tank system was being held back by the performance of our vehicle, so we decided to build a multicopter that could meet our needs.

We settled on the X8 layout because it allowed us to use the largest propellers for a given frame weight. We intended to keep the AUW of this machine under 55lbs, and the X8 layout allowed us to fit 30" props vs 18" props on a flat octo.

Once we had decided on the layout, we set about designing the center electronics housing. Most frames on the market utilize a 'tube and plate' construction, which is fine for personal use, but is not the most efficient structure.

In our case, because we are giving up some efficiency with the coaxial prop setup,  we needed to optimize the weight of our system as much as possible. To do that we settled on a central body that was machined out of a single piece of 6061-T6. We performed extensive FEA to determine how thin we could make certain critical sections, and the result is a central body that measures 12"x12"x3" that weighs just 1.4lbs (~630g), and can easily carry a 40lb payload.

The aluminum monocoque also has the interesting feature of doubling as a heatsink for the ESCs. All of the avionics are mounted inside of the enclosure, and the ESCs are mounted directly to the aluminum with 3M 8810 thermal tape. This allows the heat generated by the ESCs to be conducted to the main structure itself, and then radiated/convected away. The system works very well, and you can feel that the body of the copter is warm after a long flight.

Another area where we were able to gain some efficiency was by using an airfoil shaped motor boom. While most companies use round arms, from an aerodynamics point of view round arms have approx 10 times the drag of a streamlined shape of the same projected area. By reducing the drag on the boom we get a direct increase in efficiency. Second, because most frames use a clamping system to grab onto the booms, there is a lot of extra weight in the design.

We designed a streamlined airfoil shape, and had unidirectional carbon fiber tubes manufactured. We then designed machined aluminum hardpoints that were then bonded into the carbon tubes with Loctite E120-HP (a very common structural adhesive in aerospace). There are precision holes on the hardpoints, which mate up with precision dowel pins on the central structure. In this way, we can easily remove the arms from the vehicle for storage or transport, and reinstall them back into perfect alignment with just two bolts on each arm. In the unlikely event of a crash, there are aluminum fracture pins that allow the arm to break before damaging the center section (the most expensive part).

Another advantage of the airfoil arms has to do with vibration reduction. A major cause of vibration is caused by the low pressure bubble that forms downstream of the arm collapsing. This phenomenon is called vortex shedding. Depending on the speed of the flow and the shape of the body, it can have quite dramatic effects. The streamlined airfoil arms help to mitigate this effect, which can be especially dramatic with the large props that we are running. I also suspect that the airfoil shape acts like a stator in a jet engine, and helps to remove some of the swirl from the upper prop wash, thus helping increase the efficiency of the lower prop as well (although I have no proof of this).

When all is said and done, we ended up with a copter with the following specs:

KDE 7215-135 motors


Tmotor 29x9.5" props

Pixhawk (of course!)

Custom designed frame (detailed above)

48Ah 8S batteries

In the end, we ended up with a vehicle that meets all of our requirements, and is something that we are proud to put our name on. We are seeing flight times of around 45 min with a Tiny2 Gimbal, Git2 camera, and a Connex HD video link, and flight times around 35 minutes with our sprayer tank system.

If you made it this far, thanks for reading. I want to thank the Arducopter development community for compiling top notch software, and documenting it all. I just wanted to give back to the community and share my project, I hope you liked it. I am happy to answer any questions you may have.



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Comment by Gary McCray on August 23, 2016 at 8:58pm

Hi Brian,

Thank you for posting this, I honestly think that you have come close to designing the ultimate 107 conforming heavy lift multicopter.

I don't think that there is much on your design that can be improved on significantly.

That beautifully machined central hub and the aerodynamic motor spars with bonded hard points are really exceptional.

The only other option is a helicopter, which by virtue of it's large diameter main rotor can potentially be significantly more efficient.

You have truly built a very well optimized maximum lift multicopter.

I would very much like to see (and hear) some videos of it and from it in flight.

FYI Sveral of us have had very good results with 3M Scotch weld 2216 A Epoxy which is used by Boeing among others for bonding carbon fiber and aluminum to carbon fiber.


Sometimes you can get it in gray on EBAY for a considerable savings. - It bonds really well, the bond joint is unlikely to separate - ever. Might be worth a test at least.

Great design.

Best Regards,


Comment by Brian Riskas on August 23, 2016 at 10:31pm


Thanks for the kind words, I will look into the scotchweld  2216. I have always had good luck with Loctite/Henkel structural adhesives, and have used E120-Hp in the past with good results. That being said, I am always open to new ideas and products. 

One of the things that I found interesting when talking to customers is that they specifically did not want a 'helicopter', due to the perceived maintenance issues with the swashplate system. The fact that the arms can be replaced after a crash easily was a major selling point with them.

I will try to get some more videos and upload them soon, and I will link them here and to my website when I do.

Glad you liked the project


Comment by Laser Developer on August 23, 2016 at 11:13pm

@Brian - super engineering! Love it :)

Comment by Marc Dornan on August 24, 2016 at 4:05am
Probably the best x8 i have seen. Bravo. Aluminum monocoque is straight out of Formula 1.
Comment by Giovanni Esposito on August 24, 2016 at 4:17am

Have you tested the efficiency of your complete propulsion system (coaxial motors with props, motor mounts, shaped arm) vs a more standard coaxial system? I did many test to reduce arm drag and tested many different configuration (from 8" to 29" single and coaxial), but in the end even if the drag is a lot higher with a round tube that with an airfoil, the loss of static thrust is very little and often does not pay you back (sometimes is even worst considering added weight / difficulty to produce / cost / repairability / etc....)

I have a large 29" multirotor myself, buit for agricultural use some times ago, but I can assure you a conventional helicopter will be much better under almost every angle (effciency, cost, usability, repairability, etc...) for this kind of work.... 

Comment by Sandy Sound on August 24, 2016 at 4:22am

Video please!

Comment by Mike Knott on August 24, 2016 at 6:04am

Brian, do you have any pictures of the electronics layout? Very clean looking outside!

Comment by Brian Riskas on August 24, 2016 at 11:26am


We have not done any bench tests of the arms with the coaxial arrangement. However, when we measure our current consumption during flight, we are seeing approx. 10% more current than the manufacturer data would suggest. This leads me to believe that the boom is doing something, or we just got lucky with the vertical motor spacing.

The airfoil shape has other benefits when compared to a round tube though. Because the shape is elongated, with more material away from the neutral axis, we see a significant stiffness improvement vs a round tube of similar mass. Also, the bonded hardpoints are much lighter than an equivalent round tube/clamp system, and greatly increase the stiffness of the arm.

What are the vibrations like on your large machine? We are seeing very low vibrations in hover, on the order of .1G on the x and y axes and .2G on the Z axis.

Comment by George Kelly on August 24, 2016 at 1:34pm

I'll second Giovanni's skepticism about the benefits of the airfoils-as-booms (while commending the rest!).

My guess is the very minor portion of the props' total angle of revolution which actually passes over the boom, compounded by the fact that only 4 out of 8 props are affected, makes the gains very limited.

What won't be limited is the much more important, and major, increase in wind resistance caused by such a high vertical profile on the boom arms.

In practical use, wind, not minor differences in endurance, is the bane of these multi-rotors, compared to variable pitch heli alternatives.

Roughly speaking, it's the tops and bottoms of the booms taking most of the stresses (because most of the stresses are vertical), and the sides effectively performing the role of the webbing in an I-beam (as well as providing torsional rigidity).

So, I wonder if significant gains in wind stability might be had by (carefully, gradually) taking material out of the sides, to allow the wind to pass through.

I'm currently playing with this by using over-sized aluminum tubes (to gain the major stiffness advantages of a wide separation between top and bottom of boom arms, with more and more material drilled out of the sides (to 'ventilate' them, so to speak).

Good luck! (I'm a heavy-lift X8 guy, too).


Comment by Brian Riskas on August 24, 2016 at 1:42pm


Even if there is no aero benefit (which is unlikely) the structural benefits are real as you pointed out.  I too have thought about the increased profile causing issues in the wind, but so far we have not seen anything to that effect.  I think that the (relatively) large mass on the central body coupled with the (relatively) small cross section  of the arms helps to mitigate the effects of any wind.

I would like to see any pictures of your X8 if you have them, your arm design sounds interesting.



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