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Trappy's NYC flight under FAA investigation

Gary at sUAS News reports:

"sUAS News recently asked FAA Associate Administrator for Aviation Safety, Peggy Gilligan about the First Person View flight undertaken in New York by Austrian Raphael Pirker.

As Associate Administrator, Ms. Gilligan leads the organization responsible for setting, overseeing, and enforcing safety standards for all parts of the aviation industry – airlines, manufacturers, repair stations, pilots, mechanics, air traffic controllers, and any person or product that operates in aviation. These programs have a direct impact on every facet of domestic and international civil aviation safety.

We are very grateful that Ms Gilligan took the time to answer, heres what she said.

“This event remains under investigation by FAA as well as by some law enforcement organizations in the NYC area.  We do intend to notify the operator of the investigation — although I understand he is not a US citizen and we believe he is not in the US”

It will be interesting to see which particular rules may or may not have been broken during Trappys flight."

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  • Well I guess if someone was going to do it and see if they could get in trouble it is probably good that it was someone who would need to be extradited. If this ends up as just an investigation with no legal repercussions it sets a nice precedent to keep us US flyers out of legal trouble.
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    Trappy, I'm glad you commented and I think your points are valid. I hope you continue to engage here and elsewhere on this issue.
  • ... or form would have influenced the hobbyist UAV/FPV scene in the USA, I would not have made that flight. I suggest to wait and see what happens instead of getting all worked up over something that COULD happen. By getting worked up you're spreading the video with a negative connotation, which is what I have successfully avoided. Losers like Gary Evans and other likeminded pricks from the FPV fraction of our hobby wanted to spread the video with a negative taste, and that could have gotten politicians involved. Stop discussing the video already, and just let it go. Or don't, I don't really care. So long, suckers.
  • 1.law 2.enforcement 3.penalty  much to be debated.

    I am just glad we live in a great country that has a system of debate and investigation. With technology improving, sooner or later someone was going to make this flight. timing made Trappy the guy. 

    Obviously public safety number one, but I also want freedom to pursue my safe hobby.

    Trying to stay objective and listen to all sides.

    I think Ms. Gilligan response very tactful. 

    Chris if not appropriate, delete my post. Thanks.

  • hahaha. Gary Evans, the city park I used does NOT forbid operation of remote-controlled aircraft. This is a prime example of internet-douchebaggery. I was there first hand, read the rules and talked to the cops and park rangers. I was also sent away in a couple of places before even flying, not because it was forbidden but because I would have needed to register to fly and because it was a national holiday the registration office was closed.

     

    Give it up already, I did not break a single law and there is not a god damn thing you can do about it. I wasn't even what the law looks at as a UAV. Stop claiming I'm a criminal just because you're sour and give it a rest already.

     

    And as to all the other nitwits that think regulations are going to be made because of a single flight ... there are 3 possible scenarios:

     

    1) the FAA bans flying R/C in the restricted air zones due to this video. Big deal, you get worked up over it and wouldn't do it anyway, so if it's banned nothing changes for anyone except for the people you already think are jerks.

    2) the FAA goes ahead as planned regardless of the NYC flight, as it has seen the widespread abuse of their regulations and thousands of people posting flights inside controlled airspace.

    3) the FAA recognizes the need for regulation due to widespread business interest in the UAV marketplace and UAV vendors requesting to take part in restricted airspace to ease their testing process. The hobby segment will either be excluded or included, but for hobbyists nothing much will change

     

    Given that #3 has been implemented across whole europe and pretty much everywhere that regulations have been made (the USA is actually VERY far behind on this one), and that's where financial interests are at play (always a good indicator when new laws are to be made), I'd say it's the most likely one. If I seriously thought even for a second that my flight could in any way, shape

  • Instead of pouring money into a stupid investigation, why don't they spend it on something that matters. He flew a airplane, nothing happened, lesson learned. People drive cars and run people over all the time. Doesn't mean that people have to stop driving in heavily populated areas.
  • The AMA has allowed itself to be left behind on all the latest technology that has brought
    new and exciting changes to modern model aricraft hobby industry. The affordability and availability of parts coupled with broad experience and expertise from educational programs in the robotics field and forums such as this one, have created a pleasurable new pastime. The AMA' mission was primarily focused on reduced liability and protection of its members. Safety? sure a safety component exist with the rules, however, in my opinion, the focus and attention remained on liability. The miniaturizing of flight systems, has taken away any so called control from such a (self) governing body and placed it squarely in the hands of the individual operator. That in itself can be a very scary proposition to most people.

    It is wide open now and ripe for politicization.[sic] The genie is out of the bottle. Will FPV and Autonomous flight be forced underground? Will millions of peaceful law abiding hobbyist become lawbreakers because of their passion for the sport/hobby?  I think not, however, what may happen is an attempt to bring strict policies controlling the availability and affordability of the systems. In the end this too will fail. All one need do is look back to the 1970's when CB radios were the rage due to the 55 mph national speed limit. The citizens band was controlled by the FCC and licensing was required. This went out the window when millions of purchasers ignored the sanctioning body and used the radios anyway. So, what will happen? I sure do not know. I suspect it will all play out someday when a near catastrophe or worse occurs.
  • Well he might end up being banned from the US. Just like that brit kid who got drunk and called the white house to give the POTUS a piece of his mind. Although that might not suck too bad for Trappy. 

     

    This is why I like places way out in the middle of nowhere. 

  • LOL at all the old folk that run countries who have no idea what to do when new stuff arises.

     

    Also MAAAJOR lolz at some random foreigner stirring up the hornets nest in someone else's country xD

     

    However it would be a real shame if they were to clamp down too hard, since it will affect genuinely passionate and intellegent people.  I hope they realise the positive impact and potential of civilian UAV's !

  • "Gary old Gary! Zzzz."  Explain please, or inside joke?
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