We heard yesterday that this was coming and have been given an idea of what's in them. Its not the best if true.

WASHINGTON–Please join U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx and Deputy Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Administrator Michael Whitaker for an announcement about the aircraft registration process for owners of small unmanned aircraft systems (UAS). A Registration Task Force delivered recommendations to FAA Administrator Michael Huerta and Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx on November 21, 2015.

When: Monday, December 14, 2015 at 9:30 a.m. EST

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  • Developer

    Soo.. Since you seem to be stuck with this. I was wondering, can it be gamed?

    My thinking is that by forcing mandatory registration, are they not also implicitly officially sanctioning copter flying..? And as a sanctioned and registered pilot, it should then be possible to demand certain rights.

  • Developer

    @Rob In the document linked in earlier comments, they are stating that the Administrator in the Pirker case said it was an 'aircraft'. Thus they conclude this new class of 'sUAS, used as model aircraft' are under FAA jurisdiction. see page 22

    "Administrator v. Pirker, NTSB Order No. EA-5730 at 12 (Nov. 17, 2014) (affirming that the statutory definition of aircraft is clear and unambiguous and “includes any aircraft, manned or unmanned, large or small.”)."

    earlier on page Page 11 you can read the details.

    "The Secretary and the Administrator recently affirmed that all unmanned aircraft, including model aircraft, are aircraft consistent with congressional direction in Title III, Subtitle B of Public Law 112-95 and the existing definition of aircraft in title 49 of the United States Code. 49 U.S.C. 40102. As such, in accordance with 49 U.S.C 44101(a) and as further prescribed in 14 CFR part 47, registration is required prior to operation. See 80 FR 63912, 63913 (October 22, 2015)"

    Seems like they have the rule of law behind them. I'm sure they didn't go all he way in the Pirker case since they had forced him to concede to a plea bargain, which in itself is case law confirming they are right. (and they have quoted it as such)

    It seems that all modelers (or should I say sUAS pilots who fly sUAS as model aircraft ;-) ) in the US now need to be registered to fly. New pilots need to register from the 21st, and old timers need to have their registrations by February 2016.

  • Just got an email from the AMA.  They said the $5 fee will be waved if the aircraft is registered within 30 days of December 21st.  Honestly,  I'm not sure what is going on at this point.


    David R. Boulanger

  • @SkyRover +1 :)

  • I'd like to know at what point we considered "pilot" enough, and our aircrafts "aircraft" enough to start logging flight hours? Sure would make getting a private license a lot cheaper, paying for a model to fly vs renting a cessna hourly...

  • Bill, if that were the case, why didn't they actually pursue the charge for Commercial Operation?  Instead, they went after him for reckless (which I actually agree it was) and then ended up settling for $1300 with no admission of guilt?

    Same with the other company currently being pursued in the courts.  They are not going after that company for Commercial Operations, but again, reckless flying (and in this case that doesn't seem to be true).

    If they really had jurisdiction here, why wouldn't an organization with as deep pockets as the FAA, take this all the way, to prove the point?  There are many companies operating commercially without 333 exemptions, because their legal counsel has advised them that the FAA does not actually have jurisdiction.  So, if they do have this power, they better use it, or lose it. 

  • If model aircraft are aircraft, do I need register my RC car at the DMV?

  • Developer

    @eartpatrol - "it seems the FAA may have overstepped their jurisdiction." The FAA clear state that the Pirker case clearly states and proves that sUAS and model aircraft are 'aircraft' so they have the right to regulate.

    I think that is the biggest thing in the document in that the FAA are clearly stating that they have the right to regulate 'model aircraft" and they have the right to regulate sUAS "operated as model aircraft"

  • I'm sure the folks at BitCraze are happy. :)

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