Ok guys, with all the people waiting on APM2 and all the exciting new alpha and beta releases of APM firmware coming, I think many people are starting to chomp at their bits, a little.  

To that end, I've opened up this discussion for all those with complaints.  As I've joined the Dev Team, and not at a productive stage yet, I'll monitor this discussion, and relay things to the others on the Dev Team.

These could be both hardware or software, or just general rants and raves!

Hope everyone takes advantage of this!  Maybe we'll all learn some things in the process.

Just wanted to add this response from Chris Anderson:

Please just contact sales@3drobotics.com and inquire about the status of your order. They are not necessarily shipped in order. For example, the unsoldered ones are shipped first, because they're faster to put together. Then soldered with GPS, then soldered without GPS (or maybe those two in reverse order, I can't remember). There are approximately 50 going out each day and the team tells me that the backlog should be over by Mon/Tues of next week. 

I agree, please use this discussion for Rants and Raves.  Order issues should be directed to 3DR directly.  I think you will get better response there.

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Don't you think hybrid electric cars are cool, and their going to save the world?

u bet i will be one of the new commers to multi copter who will need help, so thanks for opening this forum

Thanks Ellison, great move. I don't have any complaints though. Like everyone else, I am anxiously awaiting receipt of my APM2.0 board.

I have some SERIOUS COMPLAINTS! Bu they have nothing to do with DIY Drones or anything RC related...


Sure, anything goes here. But it's not Vegas. (You know their slogan)

Oh, and you do realize that Karla, can read this too, right?

I love the idea of hybrids, i prefer all electric cars!

However I dont like where the power comes from for the hybrid and electric cars, ie coal powered stations.

We're definitely heading in the right direction. But until we can charge all our devices with renewable energy, we're just sh*tting on someone elses doorstep...

We'll see if she can find it! lol

Well, if you can believe the power generation companies, burning coal to generate the electricity is better than each individual car burning gasoline.  Here in Quebec, we have several Hydro generators making more power than we can use ourselves.  The main problem is with energy storage and release.  If we could efficiently store the massive amounts of energy generated by the hydro plants, the earth's energy needs would be fulfilled many times over.  The potential energy in the water has been built up over billions of years.  It's even more power there than fossil fuels, where the energy has been built up over on millions of years.

Ok, here's one, and it's taken directly off of following the recent arducopter alpha and beta monster threads from the last few weeks.

It's impossible to tell what is a problem report, what is a misguided newbie call for help, and what is real honest testing feedback. I'm reassured by some of Chris A's posts, that a lot more testing goes on behind the scenes than is publicly discussed here on the forum. With a few exceptions, like Jean-Louis and Marco's reports, the forum threads (my impression at least) boil down to 'OMG my copter did something I didn't want it to do, so the code must be terribly broken'. There is no perspective, and nothing to balance it out. It has people's confidence in the project shaken, and in some cases outright lost. The test reporting and feedback needs to be managed and more structured if code and feedback threads are going to be public. The fact that Chris, Jason and others may (or maybe not, I have no idea) have flown dozens of batteries without issue is totally lost.

On an alpha or beta code release thread, WHY are we humouring people who can't get Arduino to compile, arm their motors, get the HIL to work, or any number of other issues, that have nothing to do with the code release? These kinds of comments and requests for help should be addressed of course, but people who post their illegible google-translated calls for help should first be asked to post their own thread asking for help on their issue. Thread hijacking and off-topic posting has always been a pet peeve of mine, but tolerating it is part of being a member of a forum, regardless of topic. I just think that a code release thread started by a dev should be more stringently moderated. The delicate part is to do so in such a way that encourages user participation and keeps feedback public, without getting to the point where reading 2 or 3 comment threads sounds like 'arducopter doesn't work'.

Good point Gareth.  And I don't supposed Sefrica has much access to hydro-electric? ;)  Do you guys mostly burn coal?  Nuclear?  Natural gas or oil?  Either way, due to energy conversion efficiencies, I don't think electric cars will ever achieve anything until solar power is a good enough to fuel them.

Hybrid cars are even worse because they give people a false sense of having done something good.  

Fact is, they cost about 2-3X what it would cost to build the same vehicle which achieves the EXACT same milage simply with a small efficient motor.

Well, I leased my hyrbid, and it was a time when the governments were giving significant rebates.  Essentially with those rebates, I got back money from a car I didn't even own.  From a monetary standpoint, it ends up the same.

I'm only joking about saving the world with it, of course.  I got it because I thought it was cool, and was driving a lot, so it would save me gas.

As for solar versus hydro or fossil, the real issue is energy extraction and storage.  Even fossil fuels, can be used in a environmentally friendly way.  We are currently burning it and wasting it away.  If we were to more slowly extract the energy stored in fossil fuels, at exactly the rate we need to use it to power our equipment, it would just as environmentally friendly and last just as long as any other source.  We have plenty of power, there is no shortage of it.  There's a shortage of will power, and intelligence and a excess of greed and laziness.

Don, imo, the forum is for everyone to discuss the issues.  If there's a specific problem with any of the hardware bought at any of the stores, once the discussion is concluded, the stores customer support needs to be contacted.  Even so, anyone can start a discussion, with comment moderation on, and filter out irrelevant comments.  Also, if someone has the desire and skills they can ask to be put on the dev team too.  That's the beauty of open source!

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