Zener diode in PIXHawk

   On the power connection page, it is suggested that we use zener diode for protection when using back up power supply. The connection suggested is to connect zener across the +5v and GND of the servo rails directly.

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http://plane.ardupilot.com/wiki/common-pixhawk-wiring-and-quick-start/

 

   However when I read about zener diode, then the circuit to control voltage is suggested as follows.

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  Notice the resistor in series with the zener.  I understand that this resistor will consume the voltage which is excess to the required voltage. However in the connection suggested for PXHawk, there is no resistor.  In this case how is it able to regulate the voltage? My knowledge of electronics is limited, so I would appreciate an explanation of this.

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                • So just to confirm, you have 4 wires total. 3 are on the PPM cable, and a single wire, signal only, on the RSSI.
                  I'm really just wanting to make sure you don't have the +5v middle wire connected on the RSSI cable.
                  • OK I got it. Sorry for the language barrier :)
                    Thank you.

                    Onur
  • 100KM

    We used zener diodes in out planes until we saw how stupendously HOT they get and took them out permanently. Well in excess of 90 degrees C. Is this normal? I don't normally trust any electronics that get that hot..

    Also, using a MBR1545CT caused problems because it would continually switch between power supplies since the voltage would drop of the supply that was switched to, because of current draw, bringing it below the other power supply voltage, causing the MBR1545CT to switch back - this happens many times a second and eventually caused a failure on the regulators!

    • Developer

      The recommended diode is a 1n5339

      http://ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-powering-the-pixhawk.html#p...

      A sample datasheet for the 1n5339 says that the actual zenner voltage may be from 5.3 V to 5.88 v,

      http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/308/1N5333B-D-102336.pdf

      so the wiki should be changed to say that the input voltage should not be greater than 5v .

      The zenner diode voltage  in this application must be rated over the highest continuous input voltage. else it will go pop !

      Powering the Pixhawk — Copter documentation
      • 100KM

        Where in the spec sheet does it say it should not go over 5v? Would explain why mine gets hot, but according to the table, the nominal voltage is 5.6v.

        • Developer

          I am fairly sure that the intent is not to exceed 5V input voltage when using the1N5339 Zenner. Anything over that and with measurement errors and Zenner tolerance, you are getting quite close to things getting hot :)

          http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/308/1N5333B-D-102336.pdf

          For tolerance of the zenner, See the "Electrical Characteristics" section on Page 2

          • I though the idea of the zenner was to limit voltage to the 5v pixhawk rail by not allowing voltages above 5.7~ volts. A 5v zenner would block valid voltages of 5v to the rail from a 5v bec.

            I am confused about the zenner recommended though. It is a zenner in reverse?

            I plan on testing all this on the bench before adding to the pixhawk. Have ordered the 1n5339 but have not recieved it yet. The 1n5339 is the recommended diode on the official site and it is 5.7v.

            • Developer

              previous comment edited for clarity.

              A Zenner diode is intended to be used "upside down" compared to a regular diode.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_diode

              Zener diode
              A Zener diode is a type of diode that allows current to flow not only from its anode to its cathode, but also in the reverse direction, when the volt…
              • Developer

                Note: In previous posts in this thread clearly my spelling was wrong.

                Should be Zener not Zenner !

      • Developer

        Added an issue about it to ardupilot wiki 

        https://github.com/ArduPilot/ardupilot_wiki/issues/411

        Pixhawk Powering/backup off the servo rail. Voltage should not exceed 5V not 5.7 V · Issue #411 · A…
        The minimum zenner voltage for 1N5339 is 5.3 volts, http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/308/1N5333B-D-102336.pdf threfore the input voltage must be less than…
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