H-Cell 2.0 Hydrogyn fuel cell hybrid power-train for RC models

This might interest some of you.



A hydrogen fuel cell hybrid power-train for 1/10 scale model hobby RC. The H-Cell 2.0 can be connected to almost any RC platform and will provide continuous power to recharge the on-board batteries. Using this hybrid system it is possible to increase the run time of RC vehicles by more than four times!


When the solar panel option is included the HydroFILL and H-Cell 2.0 become a 100% renewable energy system. The solar panel also has the added benefit of making the HydroFILL mobile and HydroSTIKs can be refilled anywhere the sun shines!


Here is the PDF brochure they sent me: H-Cell 2 0 Brochure.pdf



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  • I think hydrogen fills an important niche. It seems like a nice way of transporting electricity where transmission lines aren't available, solar isn't an option, and as an alternative to shipping liquid fuels/charged batteries.
  • the real question is what is truly the greenest way?

    the green movement like any movement as been taken over by companies trying to make more money. they throw idea at you and say they're green but really aren't like carbon fiber. oh if you make a car out of Carbon fiber it will be lighter and use less gass, but to make carbon fiber it take lots of energy and once you done with that car you can't do anything with that carbon fiber wile a metal car can be Recycled.

    the same thing happens when people talk about hydrogen fuel cell.

    it sounds really green because it doesn't make CO2, but it takes a lot of power to brake down water. Power that comes from Fossil fuels right now, rare elements that need to be strip mined and then shipped around the world increasing its carbon foot print even more. lets not talk about how it uses fresh water which is already becoming a problem in may cities around the world. using it as the fuel for cars will just cause the human race to more of it from nature causing more eco problems itself.

    being green isn't just about doing what people say is green its about looking at project from birth to death to birth again and making sure everything that goes in to making it causes the smallest effect on the planet as possible.

    that's being green to me.
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  • sorry, next time first read and then write! Yes Greg, i have make similar calculations with similar results.
  • I have make some calculations and fuelcells (canister+stack) have less power density than LIPOs
    Is it correct?
  • @Alex - Gas has more energy per unit. That same plane on gas would probably stay up for a week.
  • I just ran the numbers and this is not practical for an aircraft. When you look at the weight/energy a typical Lipo has 4.1 times the energy density. Lipo-7.3 g/Wh, fuel cell-29.7 g/Wh You could make it fly, to prove a point, but it would be a real dog. Weight of 890 g say 400 grams for the rest of the super light plane. 30 W/1300g is a very low power to weight ratio, but a very efficient sailplane type airframe could fly. I assume that the 150W burst lasts only while the battery still has energy, enough for take off and some climb. Now if we take the same plane and replace the fuel cell device with the same weight of Lipos, This aircraft has the more peak power(if the motor can handle it) , but will have 4X the flight time. And at 1/5th the cost. Go figure?
  • The problem for both the electric engine and hydrogen fuel cell is the same.

    Energy storage.

    I'm the first to say electric motor out perform internal combustion engines like you wouldn't believe but the batteries needed to make them work don't have the energy density of a liquid gas (this is changing BTW like the lithium capacitor but its still a few years off). It’s the same problem fuel cells have, the hydrogen gas tanks takes up more space and weight then an equal amount of liquid fuel would and there is no real fix for it on the horizon. This is on top of the expense and rarity of what’s needed to make a fuel cell work make them a really inefficient.

    now if you replace the fuel cell (making electrical power for the electric motors) with a small gas engine powering a generator ( making the same levels of power as the fuel cell) you'll get more efficiency. In this set up the internal combustion engine can be very small and run at a constant speed with a constant load were they're most efficient.

    so sure the fuel cell one the tiger was more efficient then the internal combustion engine it replaced, but when they say that they're talking about the engine to drive the plane. That engine is was at least 3 to 5 horse power strong and quite heavy but you can make the same amount of electrical power the fuel cell put out with a far smaller gas powered engine then that.

    When you compare difference between a fuel cell and a internal combustion engine doing the same job (making electrical energy to power an electeric motor) the gas powered engine wins.

    tho I totally agree that fuels cells are good because then will drive invention with is always good in my views.
  • Ion Tiger is great, but its weight is far above any amateur application of the technology. I suspect that will always be the case given weight regulations. Also, does it say how much that 550watts cost to research, build and maintain? Way out of my budget.
  • lol elec vs gas, hybrid always wins http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/04/behold-americas/
  • "The 550-Watt (0.75 horsepower) fuel cell onboard the Ion Tiger has about 4 times the efficiency of a comparable internal combustion engine and the system provides 7 times the energy in the equivalent weight of batteries."
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