Phantom FX-61 Flying Wing 114 km Flight


Hello all,

I just wanted to detail my small triumph this past weekend with this - my first blog. I have been building up to a 100 km flight for the past few weeks (months?) It's just something I've been wanting to do - and do it with budget friendly parts.  Data analysis and design optimization are things I enjoy almost as much as flying. Aero design and controls are not my expertise though, so this has been a trying but enjoyable learning process. Thanks to the knowledgeable folks here, and other forums, I gleaned enough tips to go for my own 100 km attempt.  Enough about me - on to the plane and flight!

Airframe: Phantom FX-61 flying wing by Zeta Science
WS: 1550 mm (61")


I chose this airframe because I have some experience with wings (DIY foamies), they are generally durable, and I was just tired of fiddling with/fixing my Skywalkers.  Failed launch attempts on my SWs (V6 and 2013) usually meant my day was done and time to get out the hot water and glue.  The Phantom has survived several rough launches and hard landings with very little damage to show.  The worse is to the canopy when it came loose during a cart wheel and was chewed up by the prop.  I also had a motor mount fail on the day of the attempt.  (more on that later)  The Phantom does not appear to be the sleekest of wing designs.  It has fat dual vertical stabs, upturned tips, and a lot of reflex in the airfoil.  It does make for a slow and steady FPV platform, which is what it was designed for.


Printed motor mount extension to move the light motor rearwards and help balance the batteries.  This, along with shaving down the curious horn shaped fuselage end, also considerably reduced the noise of the prop.


No additional spars other than bracing the top and bottom with lots of fiber strapping tape.
The ailerons were cut free and tape hinges were applied.  The hinge line was also sealed top and bottom with Blenderm.


Motor: Turnigy Multistar 4225-390Kv 16Pole Multi-Rotor Outrunner

Prop:  APC 10 x 10
ESC: Hobbyking YEP 40A (2~6S) SBEC

Batteries:  6S 7200mAh (2 X 3S 5000 mAh 20C + 2 X 3S 2200 mAh 20C) lipos

Control:  9x with er9x, FrSky 2.4Ghz tx module, D8R-XP rx

FC:  APM 2.5 (2.77 firmware)

Sensors & misc:  NEO-6M GPS, Airspeed (disabled for flight - not by choice), 90A RCTimer-style power module (needed for 6S I believe), and 915 mhz 3DR telemetry


On the ground, I ran the latest version of MP with the 3DR ground radio zip tied to a fiberglass driveway marker rod on a 10ft usb cord - very simple and cheap.

I designed the power system based roughly on a discussion here on DIYD.  (Wayne Garris' 170 min Techpod flight)  It was some time ago, and when I went back to check, I realized it was Reto Buettner advising Moglos - who just joined the 100 km club as well!  Well done Reto.  You should start charging a fee, or perhaps deserve a "100 km master" badge.


I will include the testing/tuning flights leading up to this, but felt this blog entry was getting long.  I'll add the preflights below.


The Flight
The winds were mild last Saturday so I decided to go for it.  There was a window in the morning with the afternoon bringing more wind and rain.  To make certain of the distance I decided to go to 7200 mAh of lipos.  This took some foam removal and a few frustrating hours of getting wires to fit.  I hesitate to cut the heavy gage wires and make a custom power harness, but that is really what should have been done.

My first launch attempt at the heavy weight (relatively) ended in a premature belly landing and flip.  Since I was still on the throttle trying to eek out the launch, the prop hit the ground and tore the motor and mount out.  My AS sensor pitot was also ripped out.  Desperate to fly with no end to crummy weather in the extended forcast, I performed field surgery with superglue and kicker.  I also disabled the airspeed sensor.  The second launch was not much better.  This time I cut the throttle to avoid snapping the motor mounton the ground, but the plane skipped up like a rock!  I hit the throttle and away she went.  Everything appeared to be working properly so I started the WP pattern.  Fast forward a couple of hours and here are the results!


Flight time:  2 hrs 37 mins

Total flying distance:  114 km

Battery consumed:  60% 68%

Ave current during Auto:  3.7 A  1.9A*

Ave power during Auto:  87 W  44 W*

Ave airspeed during Auto:  13 m/s

AUW: 2145 g

I am not sure how to attach the tlog.  It is 15Mb.

*I have edited the originally reported current valves (and subsequent calculated power values) to the correct values.  Thank you to frederic reblewski for catching the error.


It is strange to be able to photograph your own plane in flight.


Two of the guys flying FPV quads actually chased the plane around its circuit.  I got to experience a chase plane view of my Phantom as it navigated to WPs through a spare set of goggles!  One even advised me that my plane seems to be speeding up and slowing down throughout the flight - which was later confirmed in the tlog.  This was an unexpected treat to have a full scale flight instructor giving feedback from a chase "plane" like a real prototype flight.


Due to the early launch issues, the tail end of my flight missed the target window and the last 20 km of the flight were in gustier winds and light rain.  I still had plenty of juice left, but the conditions were worsening, so I brought her in.  After a 114 km flight, I greased the landing within 10 ft but still broke the motor mount off.  Resting voltage was still 3.75 V per cell.


All in all, it was a spectacular day in my book - one of the best days of flying in a long time even though I was on the sticks for about 3 total minutes!

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  • Trung Nguyen Great. Did you program you YEP Esc? I have the same Esc tried it on my Fx61 with APM but no motor initialization sound at all but when put direct to re rx its working but the motor spins so slow. 

  • If anyone is interested I just uploaded a motor mount extension for the Phantom FX-61. http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:646702


  • Did you found folding prop? If yes, what is the model and where is it? Thanks.

  • For anyone who has experienced the Zeta "break-away motor mount", SmallPartsCNC.com is starting a run of aluminum mounts which also put the motor back about 10mm. If there is enough initial interest they will go for around $20 US. Here is a SolidWorks image of what they will be producing:


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    Gregor, the thrust to weight ecalc lists (in red here) is the static "stalled" thrust.  Since our planes typically do not hover ;) we only have to worry about stalled thrust at launch.  Hand launching can be difficult and unreliable.  I suggest bungie assist if you pursue a setup like this.

  • When I type the details from @Trung's flight into ecalc.ch it gives a thrust-weight ratio of 0.31. Using the advice from @Reto Buettner I get a thrust-weight ratio lower than 0.4 for many combinations with 1:1 props. ecalc.ch says thrust-weight under 0.4 won't fly. Am I understanding something incorrectly or using ecalc incorrectly?


  • @Trung Nguyen,

    I'm also interested in testing a 6S setup with a spacer to move the motor rearward, would you mind sharing your design in Sketchup and STL too? @Minghao Bao if you have worked on it and improved it I would be interested to see. gregor (at) ddem.us

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    No worries, Adam. This thread is pretty dead since I've decided not to chase ultimate distance with Li-Ion. (I think 300km is doable [6S5P Li-Ion/17Ah/1.5kg], but what to do for 6-8 hours?!? How to power the GS for that long?)

    Yes, WP13 is the dummy. It gets skipped every time except at the end of the repeats. That's why I like to make the Do_Jump and dummy WPs consistent with the others, so the plane doesn't go on an excursion after the loop ends before RTL. Others have setup an autoland sequence that is skipped by the Do_Jump. Pretty cool.

    I saw your post about RTL at a min voltage. I think it's a good idea, but I could not find a way to do it.

  • excellent thanks, really helpful.

    just 1 other thing, WP13 just a dummy or extra and wont be executed i guess ?

    i posted on the arduplane group this  http://diydrones.com/group/apmusergroup/forum/topics/flying-continu...

    but basically i was trying to identify if there is a method of flying a continuous circuit as you have just shown me is possible but when the battery voltage drops to a certain value we can activate a fail safe which will allow the plane to RTL/RTH following a waypoint and land.

    maybe you know of a method which can work.

    any help appreciated, sorry to hijack the thread and digress...

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    Oops, meant to link to this photo. (Can you not edit your own comments?)

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